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Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by shrikant »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #56
handelaar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why, when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops, and when it fails to start it provides no hint whatsoever about what to do next, is there no information about what to do next anywhere on the Haiku web site? Why, if your position is that there's a list of hardware (a very well-hidden one, I might add) on which I should be running this, is that list not front-and-centre so I don't waste my time trying to boot…

Get used to this reaction. Unfortunately, as much as open source software communities want their products to be taken seriously, they will invariably react this way to negative feedback. "works for me", "pick better hardware", etc.

There are various first-level responses "reacting" to OP's "negative feedback" with (what I think are) very reasonable suggestions (try this thing, try that thing, ask on forums, etc.)

This is a sub-thread to the original complaint (which was quite reasonable), where OP is taking on an oddly hostile and aggressive tone, and powerfully punching at various strawmen. I'm not sure what you think an adequate reaction would be.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by fbnlsr »

shaunrussell wrote: post #59

There is something about the text rendering in the screenshots that makes the GUI look 20 years old. What is it exactly? Anti-aliasing?

It looks like it's using a bitmap font, which always look odd compared to what we're using nowadays.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by soapdog »

_sz6q wrote: post #58
soapdog wrote: post #51

I have a Haiku installation here and it is having trouble upgrading to Beta 3. Anyone having trouble as well? What I'm seeing are some package resolution errors. Things like haikuwebkit higher version wanting beta 3 (which is not yet installed), and giving me options to keep my old version or ignore it.

This post on the Haiku website explains what's going on, and how to upgrade to Beta 3: https://www.haiku-os.org/news/2021-06-22_important_change_re...

Thanks a lot for the link. :-)

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#64

Post by II2II »

handelaar wrote: post #3

I think at this point I'm on the fourth consecutive laptop that this just won't ever boot on. This time, however, it just says "Haiku" on a splash screen and then stops completely. No errors, no debug message window, nothing. (At this point usually someone here insists that I file a bug. Which I won't do because a) I have no useful information to put into a bug report and b) I think after eleven years of this nonsens…

You have had an incredible streak of bad luck there. That is to be expected with alternative operating systems though: very few have vendors contributing drivers (e.g. Windows, Linux) and very few have enough developers to support the incredibly wide range of hardware available (e.g. Linux). At best, most alternative operating systems can be classified as hobby projects. Nothing more and nothing less. In order to use them, you need to be willing to contribute time (e.g. help with development) or money (e.g. buy supported hardware). If you're not willing to do so, that's fine. It simply means these operating systems are not for you.

As for my experiences, I have always had Haiku boot but have never been satisfied with hardware support (e.g. limited to certain VESA modes for video, unsupported network card). I accept that's part for the course given what Haiku is and can still appreciate the work that has been put into it.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#65

Post by nkoren »

prvc wrote: post #60
cable2600 wrote: post #2

Free version of BeOS rewritten from scratch using the API levels for compatibility. One step closer to public release.

Is there any proprietary software from the era for the platform that is worth running today?

Honestly I still miss Gobe Productive. Fantastic productivity suite. Not very full-featured, but everything just came together in a smooth way I haven't seen replicated since.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

shrikant wrote: post #61
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get used to this reaction. Unfortunately, as much as open source software communities want their products to be taken seriously, they will invariably react this way to negative feedback. "works for me", "pick better hardware", etc.

There are various first-level responses "reacting" to OP's "negative feedback" with (what I think are) very reasonable suggestions (try this thing, try that thing, ask on forums, etc.) This is a sub-thread to the original complaint (which was quite reasonable), where OP is taking on an oddly hostile and aggressive tone, and powerfully punching at various strawmen. I'm not sure what you think an adequate reaction woul…

OP may be exaggerating a bit with their claim that Haiku isn't an OS, but what is important is their frustration. Haiku is billing itself as an OS that runs on PCs and parent is frustrated because it has never run on any PC they have tried it on. That's the thing to take away here. Either they should make it more explicit[0] what it does and doesn't run on, or work harder to support more hardware. Pointing out that it is clearly labeled as beta software and linking to the compatibility list are reasonable responses, but there's literally a comment telling them to 'shut up and get your shit together'. That kind of defensiveness is not useful to anyone.

[0] since there appears to be a list of known good hardware, maybe it should be prominent?

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by jccalhoun »

prvc wrote: post #60
cable2600 wrote: post #2

Free version of BeOS rewritten from scratch using the API levels for compatibility. One step closer to public release.

Is there any proprietary software from the era for the platform that is worth running today?

Apparently some products still use it. TuneTracker is a system for running radio stations that uses Haiku http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/about_haiku.html

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by stinkytaco »

prvc wrote: post #60
cable2600 wrote: post #2

Free version of BeOS rewritten from scratch using the API levels for compatibility. One step closer to public release.

Is there any proprietary software from the era for the platform that is worth running today?

From the era? Probably not. I like GoBe Productive and actually used PoorMan for some internal stuff, but neither would be sufficient for most uses today.

However, TuneTracker and its associated suite of tools for radio station automation ran on BeOS and then on Haiku. It's been a few years since the website was updated, so I do not know if it's still active, but it was worth running in a very specific setting.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by andai »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #38
_sz6q wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say iffy on the first. The native browser is based on a modern port of WebKit, but it's buggy and not feature-complete. Things like Youtube work in-browser, but not well (buggy player, sometimes choppy playback, etc.). Wasm doesn't work. It's otherwise pretty functional. There's no Firefox/Chromium. There are alternatives to the native browser, but they're not significantly better. It has the second, and third (P…

> there's no GIMP, but there is Krita, for example I wish they'd rather port Inkscape.

Haiku's icons are vector based right? Is there a native Haiku vector art software?

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #35
MawKKe wrote: post #32

I decided to try out Haiku last week. I was positively surprised how fast the whole process was. Installer loaded, system was installed and rebooted in about 20-30 seconds (not accounting for human I/O latency). And this was in a VM with SATA disk backing. Makes you yearn for simpler times.

> Installer loaded, system was installed and rebooted in about 20-30 seconds This was my experience with QNX 6 two decades ago. Installing and booting into its beautiful Photon desktop environment took less time than it took to just boot Windows 2000. > And this was in a VM with SATA disk backing. Believing virtualization always makes things slower is a mistake. Windows XP always booted and worked a lot faster in a V…

> Windows XP always booted and worked a lot faster in a VirtualBox under Linux than it did directly on the same machine.

Then it could probably boot even faster under QEMU/KVM.

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