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Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by Traf444 » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:14 AM UTC

newman555 wrote: post #23

still, I see no serious action being taken to tackle the climate crisis. Current governments are just putting some dates by which we’ll stop doing x or y, but in really almost nothing concrete is done to stop the worst scenarios.

A politician will not act on anything unless it will hurt their chances of getting re-elected.

Humans in general are very short term creatures and we fail at having a long term perspective on most things.

That's also the reason why I believe that any concrete things set in motion will probably focus on fixing the symptoms of climate change, the short term quick fix, rather than fixing the underlying issues that have lead to climate change. Sadly...

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by hutzlibu » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:23 AM UTC

mlang23 wrote: post #88

ashton314 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe it is incumbent upon those of us in privileged positions of education and wealth to have children that we teach and raise to be contributors in solving the world’s problems. Raising one child well goes a lot further to helping people out then not having a child at all.

Sure, only "priviledged" people should have children. Elitist thinking ahoy! Nope man, these days, with the amount of people on this planet, nobody really needs more of them, no matter what nice elitist excuse the individual finds.

"Sure, only "priviledged" people should have children."

No one said that. It was simply said, that those who have a mind and use them - totally should have children - because otherwise only those have children who do not use their mind so much. And this would not be helping.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by mlang23 » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #92

mlang23 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, only "priviledged" people should have children. Elitist thinking ahoy! Nope man, these days, with the amount of people on this planet, nobody really needs more of them, no matter what nice elitist excuse the individual finds.

"Sure, only "priviledged" people should have children." No one said that. It was simply said, that those who have a mind and use them - totally should have children - because otherwise only those have children who do not use their mind so much. And this would not be helping.

Statistics is telling the reverse story. The more educated you are, the less likely it is that you will have children. Wonder why? :-)

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by londons_explore » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:27 AM UTC

jonp888 wrote: post #74

laydn wrote: post #20

For the first time in my life, I experienced a massive heat wave, torrential rainfall and flooding, a forest fire and hail, all within a single month. I am NOT looking forward to what's coming in a few years.

It's going to be bad. I don't expect to have a conventional retirement like my parents did. By that point, society will not longer be able to support a large cohort of people who just consume and don't contribute. I don't understand how anyone can still justify having children, knowing how they will suffer as a result of what we have done to the planet.

> , knowing how they will suffer as a result of what we have done to the planet.

I don't understand how people can still be having children,knowing what we have done to the mammoths. Soon there will be none left, and our children will have nothing but moss and ice. Nothing to live for. How can we bring people into a world like that?

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

hutzlibu wrote: post #92

mlang23 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, only "priviledged" people should have children. Elitist thinking ahoy! Nope man, these days, with the amount of people on this planet, nobody really needs more of them, no matter what nice elitist excuse the individual finds.

"Sure, only "priviledged" people should have children." No one said that. It was simply said, that those who have a mind and use them - totally should have children - because otherwise only those have children who do not use their mind so much. And this would not be helping.

Idiocracy was very entertaining but, I am happy to report, not actually scientifically accurate.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by weego » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:34 AM UTC

Gys wrote: post #90

Lutger wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether that is true depends on your sense of scale. After we move to zero emissions, it will take only a couple of decades before CO2 will start to drop again, as the biosphere starts absorbing the greenhouse gases. There's some latency in temperature, much more in sealevel rise, but generally it isn't as bad as frequently depicted. I only learned this recently, I used to think we are unavoidably messed up for centu…

The EU ‘proposes to raise the EU's ambition on reducing greenhouse gas emissions to at least 55% below 1990 levels by 2030’. At the moment that part of the world is the most ambitious part. > after we move to zero emissions I wonder if that will happen on a planet scale even in your sons lifetime

No because the method of achieving that goal is to push the worst CO2 generating processes out to less privileged countries and then blaming them for it. It's just carbon credits with more xenophobia.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by hutzlibu » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:34 AM UTC

lm28469 wrote: post #85

newman555 wrote: post #23

still, I see no serious action being taken to tackle the climate crisis. Current governments are just putting some dates by which we’ll stop doing x or y, but in really almost nothing concrete is done to stop the worst scenarios.

That's what happens when politicians are in charge for 4 to ~10 years. They all vote for deadlines in 2025 - 2030 - 2040, which, on their timeline, means "never" Most politicians are more concerned about their carrier and personal gains than their country, let alone the world.

So then a lifetime dictator should have a very green awesome success record? Well, I don't know of any data to support that assumption.

Also, most politicians are indeed concerned about their heritage in the history books, so they have motivations to do something beyond their office time.

But what should they do? There is not really a broad concensus on how to transform the whole worlds industry into CO2 free. Because that is not really easy. I believe it is doable and I actually see much more change into that direction, than I thought possible a few years ago. But when a vast amount of the population of the earth still struggles to survive - how can they save on CO2. They need to eat now.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by hutzlibu » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:36 AM UTC

mlang23 wrote: post #93

hutzlibu wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Sure, only "priviledged" people should have children." No one said that. It was simply said, that those who have a mind and use them - totally should have children - because otherwise only those have children who do not use their mind so much. And this would not be helping.

Statistics is telling the reverse story. The more educated you are, the less likely it is that you will have children. Wonder why? :-)

Well 2 reasons I think: one is money. The more educated - the more likely to go for career and not for children. The 2. overly living in the head.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by Retric » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:40 AM UTC

weego wrote: post #96

Gys wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU ‘proposes to raise the EU's ambition on reducing greenhouse gas emissions to at least 55% below 1990 levels by 2030’. At the moment that part of the world is the most ambitious part. > after we move to zero emissions I wonder if that will happen on a planet scale even in your sons lifetime

No because the method of achieving that goal is to push the worst CO2 generating processes out to less privileged countries and then blaming them for it. It's just carbon credits with more xenophobia.

The EU has a massive trade surplus, they actually manufacture quite a bit internally including many CO2 heavy industries, they are also importing vast amounts of fossil fuels. Germany was running a larger total trade surplus than China up to 2018, exporting manufacturing isn’t part of the plan.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Post by Blatti » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 9:40 AM UTC

Lutger wrote: post #66

mrpopo wrote: post #51

Reminder: what is happening now is the result of past emissions and will keep happening year after year no matter what. After humanity finally stops emitting greenhouse gases, it will not get better, it will just stop getting worse. The earlier we act the less bad the consequences.

Whether that is true depends on your sense of scale. After we move to zero emissions, it will take only a couple of decades before CO2 will start to drop again, as the biosphere starts absorbing the greenhouse gases. There's some latency in temperature, much more in sealevel rise, but generally it isn't as bad as frequently depicted. I only learned this recently, I used to think we are unavoidably messed up for centu…

We talk already about reducing our footprint but it's not going down yet.

How long will it even take for us to do less talking and more reducing? 5 years? 10?

Will we discover that the big co2 emitter (USA, china) might even get further behind and my country is on track (Germany)?

Will the normal and valid economical growth of countries like china eat all co2 winnings for x decades until it reaches a peak?

Or will we see catastrophic events which will erode our society peace by peace?

In Germany the flood destroyed bridges and parts of a Autobahn. Deutsche Bahn Said that's the worst infrastructure impairment they ever head.

Will we be able to keep our existing infrastructure?

All the trees we are loosing to fires and drought how critical are they?

Do we already have calculated in all of this? I read last year that they now incorporate the Siberian Methan and co2 emissions from the "permafrost".

How fragile is our supply chain? Remember the toilet paper shortage.

Those questions are stressing me out sometimes and I do plan do become more robust through getting out of the city as there is not much you can do when sitting in your flat without tools and stuff.