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US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Reminder: what is happening now is the result of past emissions and will keep happening year after year no matter what. After humanity finally stops emitting greenhouse gases, it will not get better, it will just stop getting worse. The earlier we act the less bad the consequences.

In fact, if we stopped emitting entirely tomorrow, things would get much worse very quickly for a few years, due to the aerosol masking effect. Basically we're actually emitting so much that our pollution is blocking out some of the heat from the sun - remove the pollution and now we have all of the greenhouse gases we had before still in the atmosphere, but we're getting the full amount of heat from the sun. Explain…

If they can make natural gas turbines send soot thousands of feet into the air like coal plants then we could buy ourselves some time. We need soot generators.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Reminder: what is happening now is the result of past emissions and will keep happening year after year no matter what. After humanity finally stops emitting greenhouse gases, it will not get better, it will just stop getting worse. The earlier we act the less bad the consequences.

If global human CO2 emissions stopped, the ocean would be absorbing some of the current atmospherical CO2, so it would start going down.

The ocean is already currently absorbing, and acidifying as a result. It is not currently in equilibrium. Of course, as it warms, its ability to absorb lessens. Warm water holds less CO2, used as a denialist talking point to say that the CO2 is from the oceans, not from humans. But it actually makes the problem worse.

But what's even more important about the nature of this problem that local emissions don't matter. If the US stopped but EU and China etc continued, the US heat dome problem would still go on. That's why this needs to be coordinated internationally. It really matters a lot what the US president and congress does regarding international treaties.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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While climate change denialists minimize and try to pretend that more analysis is needed before lifting our smallest finger to change the obvious problem (humans burning hundreds of millions of years of sequestered carbon in the span of 150 years) It’s actually rather urgent that we collectively acted like the singular species we are, and acted yesterday already. Don’t wait til 2030 to phase out whatever, let’s go fu…

Covid showed us that we are generally inclined to act collectively but very easily fall to conspiracy theories. I hope we ACT, although the pessimist inside me is not so sure.

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still, I see no serious action being taken to tackle the climate crisis. Current governments are just putting some dates by which we’ll stop doing x or y, but in really almost nothing concrete is done to stop the worst scenarios.

Because the climate crisis is missing one of the key ingredients of a proper crisis: there's never a reckoning time that forces the decision makers to the table, and forces all other things off the agenda.

If there was an asteroid coming, there would be some deadline imposed by the astronomical observations.

If it's a pandemic, there's a time when all the politicians have to stop thinking about Brexit and start thinking about lockdowns.

In economic crises there's that Lehman moment when the government needs to decide right then and there what to do about the economy.

In pure political crises, there's a vote of no confidence in the government and the politicians have to think about how to form a new one immediately.

With the climate, there's just never a time when you absolutely have to do something. People have even tried saying "we have to do something by x date" but you can't manufacture a crisis point, in fact those kinds of deadlines seem to have the opposite effect to what was intended. That slowly boiling frog analogy is somehow quite appropriate.

I think part of it is the nature of noise. Once you see an asteroid, you don't doubt that it's there. Government falls, you need a new one. People get sick in large numbers, better not let it grow.

But if it rains a lot or gets hot, that will pass. Once it passes we're relieved and we go back to normal. Even if storms get bigger and more frequent, the day after is sunny.

My last point goes back to the first: a proper crisis forces everything else out of your attention. 9/11, Lehman, Pandemic, those were all things that blocked out the news. That has never happened with the climate. When did you ever have a news day where all they talked about was climate? Where all the talking heads on TV were climate scientists/commentators/lobbyists? Where you could see politicians going from meeting to meeting with only one topic being asked of them?

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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still, I see no serious action being taken to tackle the climate crisis. Current governments are just putting some dates by which we’ll stop doing x or y, but in really almost nothing concrete is done to stop the worst scenarios.

That's what happens when politicians are in charge for 4 to ~10 years. They all vote for deadlines in 2025 - 2030 - 2040, which, on their timeline, means "never"

Most politicians are more concerned about their carrier and personal gains than their country, let alone the world.

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still, I see no serious action being taken to tackle the climate crisis. Current governments are just putting some dates by which we’ll stop doing x or y, but in really almost nothing concrete is done to stop the worst scenarios.

It's a really hard pill to swallow. It will require expenses and sacrifices far beyond those that covid required, and for far longer. I have zero hope of it happening. People won't stop driving, flying or eating meat. They won't even drive smaller cars. As I understand it, that would just be the start. Looking at how we handled the pandemic, I don't think we'll manage.

> Looking at how we handled the pandemic, I don't think we'll manage.

Amidst the chaos, humanity has been able develop a wide range of therapeutics and public healthcare prevention protocols, research and deploy vaccines at global scale in under a year, all while avoiding total economic collapse.

What outcome would've given you hope in humans' ability to solve complex and chaotic crises?

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to be bad. I don't expect to have a conventional retirement like my parents did. By that point, society will not longer be able to support a large cohort of people who just consume and don't contribute. I don't understand how anyone can still justify having children, knowing how they will suffer as a result of what we have done to the planet.

I believe it is incumbent upon those of us in privileged positions of education and wealth to have children that we teach and raise to be contributors in solving the world’s problems. Raising one child well goes a lot further to helping people out then not having a child at all.

Sure, only "priviledged" people should have children. Elitist thinking ahoy! Nope man, these days, with the amount of people on this planet, nobody really needs more of them, no matter what nice elitist excuse the individual finds.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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For the first time in my life, I experienced a massive heat wave, torrential rainfall and flooding, a forest fire and hail, all within a single month. I am NOT looking forward to what's coming in a few years.

It's going to be bad. I don't expect to have a conventional retirement like my parents did. By that point, society will not longer be able to support a large cohort of people who just consume and don't contribute. I don't understand how anyone can still justify having children, knowing how they will suffer as a result of what we have done to the planet.

So you think extinction is preferable to solving our problems? Suicide isn't a more moral choice when pursued by a species instead of an individual. Furthermore a world full of dumb animals isn't well situated to clean up our mess.

More realistically its just making it other people's kids problem.

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Reminder: what is happening now is the result of past emissions and will keep happening year after year no matter what. After humanity finally stops emitting greenhouse gases, it will not get better, it will just stop getting worse. The earlier we act the less bad the consequences.

Whether that is true depends on your sense of scale. After we move to zero emissions, it will take only a couple of decades before CO2 will start to drop again, as the biosphere starts absorbing the greenhouse gases. There's some latency in temperature, much more in sealevel rise, but generally it isn't as bad as frequently depicted. I only learned this recently, I used to think we are unavoidably messed up for centu…

The EU ‘proposes to raise the EU's ambition on reducing greenhouse gas emissions to at least 55% below 1990 levels by 2030’.

At the moment that part of the world is the most ambitious part.

> after we move to zero emissions

I wonder if that will happen on a planet scale even in your sons lifetime

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