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Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by ofrzeta » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 6:45 AM UTC

handelaar wrote: post #3

I think at this point I'm on the fourth consecutive laptop that this just won't ever boot on. This time, however, it just says "Haiku" on a splash screen and then stops completely. No errors, no debug message window, nothing. (At this point usually someone here insists that I file a bug. Which I won't do because a) I have no useful information to put into a bug report and b) I think after eleven years of this nonsens…

You probably know that supporting a wide array of hardware requires many hands (and that hardware).

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by cable2600 » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 6:45 AM UTC

handelaar wrote: post #3

I think at this point I'm on the fourth consecutive laptop that this just won't ever boot on. This time, however, it just says "Haiku" on a splash screen and then stops completely. No errors, no debug message window, nothing. (At this point usually someone here insists that I file a bug. Which I won't do because a) I have no useful information to put into a bug report and b) I think after eleven years of this nonsens…

I had that problem in Virtual Box I had to enable a serial port for it to output error messages.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by alpaca128 » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 6:45 AM UTC

handelaar wrote: post #10

smallstepforman wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold shift after BIOS/EFI handoff, and you’ll get lots of boot / diagnostic options. I natively boot on 3 systems without any issues.

Yes, that's definitely a thing I'm going to keep trying when there's several dozen options and every option set that doesn't work either also leaves you looking forever at a dead splash screen or crashes with a white screen full of "no debug on this file" which you can't reboot out of without a hard ACPI reset. It's just dogshit, and it's getting worse.

Maybe you should preserve your sanity and wait for a release that's not clearly marked as "Beta".

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by ofrzeta » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 6:53 AM UTC

handelaar wrote: post #20

_sz6q wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I said, it sucks that it doesn't start on anything you own, which doesn't take away from the fact that there's literally a massive list of hardware it does actually run on. And you're right, I created an account to comment on this thread. If you think disagreeing with you on this means I'm "promoting" Haiku as some sort of shill (my two points were literally that it's an OS and it boots on hardware, how controve…

Why, when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops, and when it fails to start it provides no hint whatsoever about what to do next, is there no information about what to do next anywhere on the Haiku web site? Why, if your position is that there's a list of hardware (a very well-hidden one, I might add) on which I should be running this, is that list not front-and-centre so I don't waste my time trying to boot…

Why are you so upset? I would be if I absolutely required running something and it didn't work. Probably something I paid a lot of money for. But I wouldn't expect that from a hobbyist OS.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by bitigchi » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 6:57 AM UTC

handelaar wrote: post #3

I think at this point I'm on the fourth consecutive laptop that this just won't ever boot on. This time, however, it just says "Haiku" on a splash screen and then stops completely. No errors, no debug message window, nothing. (At this point usually someone here insists that I file a bug. Which I won't do because a) I have no useful information to put into a bug report and b) I think after eleven years of this nonsens…

If you open a thread on Haiku forums, I’m sure you will find a lot of help to help you boot Haiku on your hardware, even get developer input.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by _sz6q » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 6:57 AM UTC

handelaar wrote: post #20

_sz6q wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I said, it sucks that it doesn't start on anything you own, which doesn't take away from the fact that there's literally a massive list of hardware it does actually run on. And you're right, I created an account to comment on this thread. If you think disagreeing with you on this means I'm "promoting" Haiku as some sort of shill (my two points were literally that it's an OS and it boots on hardware, how controve…

Why, when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops, and when it fails to start it provides no hint whatsoever about what to do next, is there no information about what to do next anywhere on the Haiku web site? Why, if your position is that there's a list of hardware (a very well-hidden one, I might add) on which I should be running this, is that list not front-and-centre so I don't waste my time trying to boot…

It's not my 'position' that there's a list of hardware; there literally is one (edit: and it's not exhaustive).

I really don't see how Haiku "requires" you to take it seriously. It's clearly marked as beta. Even though I disagree with those who might call it daily driver-ready, I don't understand the source of this hostility. If you don't want to "waste your time" with it, then don't. It's beta software developed by volunteers, none of whom are forcing you to download their OS.

Also, if these instructions (https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/welcome/en/bugreports.html#ker...) don't help you with your bug report, then I dunno what to tell you, I guess the gods have decided you shouldn't use Haiku.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by _sz6q » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 7:05 AM UTC

szszrk wrote: post #17

cable2600 wrote: post #2

Free version of BeOS rewritten from scratch using the API levels for compatibility. One step closer to public release.

Is it promising as a basic daily system? Some modern web browser, email client, some common console tools or things like Python to run them? Or maybe there is a ports-like system developed unofficially? I used to test every iso of Haiku I found, but it felt very much a development project then actual system for simple daily use. I wonder what's the status now.

I'd say iffy on the first. The native browser is based on a modern port of WebKit, but it's buggy and not feature-complete. Things like Youtube work in-browser, but not well (buggy player, sometimes choppy playback, etc.). Wasm doesn't work. It's otherwise pretty functional. There's no Firefox/Chromium. There are alternatives to the native browser, but they're not significantly better.

It has the second, and third (Python 3 is ported). It's POSIX-compliant, so there's tons of Linux/Unix CLI stuff available.

There is a package manager with a lot of software, both native and ported. Many of the staples are available (LibreOffice, VLC, etc.), but there's also a lot missing, some with alternatives (there's no GIMP, but there is Krita, for example).

Overall, I think it's usable as a basic system, but you could definitely run into some issues with software availability and web browsing if you want to do more powerful stuff.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by liberalbias998 » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 7:13 AM UTC

handelaar wrote: post #3

I think at this point I'm on the fourth consecutive laptop that this just won't ever boot on. This time, however, it just says "Haiku" on a splash screen and then stops completely. No errors, no debug message window, nothing. (At this point usually someone here insists that I file a bug. Which I won't do because a) I have no useful information to put into a bug report and b) I think after eleven years of this nonsens…

My desktop PC; also fails to boot in the same way.

Just to add: I really respect the work different people on the Haiku project put in for so many years; even the controversial package manager turned out to be really brilliant.

I have been following the project since it started; I ran BeOS on my PowerMac and then on my PCs for a while, before it became impractical.

The thing with voluntary projects is people naturally work on what they find randomly interesting - this may not be the fastest path to create a working system for a reasonable number of end users.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by anorakoverflow » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 7:42 AM UTC

szszrk wrote: post #17

cable2600 wrote: post #2

Free version of BeOS rewritten from scratch using the API levels for compatibility. One step closer to public release.

Is it promising as a basic daily system? Some modern web browser, email client, some common console tools or things like Python to run them? Or maybe there is a ports-like system developed unofficially? I used to test every iso of Haiku I found, but it felt very much a development project then actual system for simple daily use. I wonder what's the status now.

ArsTechnica did an in-depth review last year [1] which was also discussed on HN [2].

[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/a-decidedly-non-linu...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23676975

Re: Haiku Beta 3

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Post by kasumispencer2 » Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 7:42 AM UTC

handelaar wrote: post #20

_sz6q wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I said, it sucks that it doesn't start on anything you own, which doesn't take away from the fact that there's literally a massive list of hardware it does actually run on. And you're right, I created an account to comment on this thread. If you think disagreeing with you on this means I'm "promoting" Haiku as some sort of shill (my two points were literally that it's an OS and it boots on hardware, how controve…

Why, when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops, and when it fails to start it provides no hint whatsoever about what to do next, is there no information about what to do next anywhere on the Haiku web site? Why, if your position is that there's a list of hardware (a very well-hidden one, I might add) on which I should be running this, is that list not front-and-centre so I don't waste my time trying to boot…

> when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops

i had an old laptop that runs just fine (albeit with a tiny bit of fiddling). you're free not to believe me though, it's your opinion after all.

> requires us to pretend that it's in the same class as those other OSes?

lmfao, did they ever?

shut up and get your shit together.