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Re: Haiku Beta 3

#11

Post by handelaar »

arthurcolle wrote: post #4
handelaar wrote: post #3

I think at this point I'm on the fourth consecutive laptop that this just won't ever boot on. This time, however, it just says "Haiku" on a splash screen and then stops completely. No errors, no debug message window, nothing. (At this point usually someone here insists that I file a bug. Which I won't do because a) I have no useful information to put into a bug report and b) I think after eleven years of this nonsens…

I've pretty much given up on these new OSes. I tried to run OS/2 and Plan 9 (whatever that relatively recent open sourced version of it was) and I just feel like... maybe I haven't developed the appropriate context to be able to even know what to do with it. Sure, Kali I know I can use my AWUS036ahw network card on, Ubuntu I know I at least have some sensible defaults, Alpine for containers (goddamnit why don't you h…

I'm having a little philosophical discussion with myself here about whether something that can't run on an actual computer (as opposed to a VM) is in any meaningful sense an "operating system" at all.

Meanwhile I can definitely boot RiscOS on a Pi containing built-in apps with a 1987 copyright message in them. I mean I can't then really do anything with it, but it's still got Haiku beat.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#12

Post by _sz6q »

handelaar wrote: post #11
arthurcolle wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've pretty much given up on these new OSes. I tried to run OS/2 and Plan 9 (whatever that relatively recent open sourced version of it was) and I just feel like... maybe I haven't developed the appropriate context to be able to even know what to do with it. Sure, Kali I know I can use my AWUS036ahw network card on, Ubuntu I know I at least have some sensible defaults, Alpine for containers (goddamnit why don't you h…

I'm having a little philosophical discussion with myself here about whether something that can't run on an actual computer (as opposed to a VM) is in any meaningful sense an "operating system" at all. Meanwhile I can definitely boot RiscOS on a Pi containing built-in apps with a 1987 copyright message in them. I mean I can't then really do anything with it, but it's still got Haiku beat.

It's fine to dislike Haiku because it doesn't run on your hardware, but it's pretty ridiculous to assert it isn't an OS because it "can't run on an actual computer". Haiku runs on tons of hardware, including most of the machines I've tried it on, and it probably runs on far more devices than Risc OS ever has/will.

Edit: there's literally a massive thread (https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/computers-compatible-with-hai...) on the Haiku forums that documents just a small fraction of the hardware Haiku works on.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#13

Post by handelaar »

_sz6q wrote: post #12
handelaar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having a little philosophical discussion with myself here about whether something that can't run on an actual computer (as opposed to a VM) is in any meaningful sense an "operating system" at all. Meanwhile I can definitely boot RiscOS on a Pi containing built-in apps with a 1987 copyright message in them. I mean I can't then really do anything with it, but it's still got Haiku beat.

It's fine to dislike Haiku because it doesn't run on your hardware, but it's pretty ridiculous to assert it isn't an OS because it "can't run on an actual computer". Haiku runs on tons of hardware, including most of the machines I've tried it on, and it probably runs on far more devices than Risc OS ever has/will. Edit: there's literally a massive thread ( https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/computers-compatible-with-hai.…

It's never once started on anything I own. For over a decade. The most voted-on item in its bug tracker has 9 votes on it.

RiscOS (which was a wilfully-obtuse comparison on my part, but since you're digging in [edit: in fact, creating an account on HN for no reason except to promote it on this thread], I'll run with it for your benefit) has without question already actually run on a number of devices -- though granted, not types of devices -- at least one or two orders of magnitude larger than this thing ever will, at the rate it's going.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#14

Post by _sz6q »

handelaar wrote: post #13
_sz6q wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's fine to dislike Haiku because it doesn't run on your hardware, but it's pretty ridiculous to assert it isn't an OS because it "can't run on an actual computer". Haiku runs on tons of hardware, including most of the machines I've tried it on, and it probably runs on far more devices than Risc OS ever has/will. Edit: there's literally a massive thread ( https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/computers-compatible-with-hai.…

It's never once started on anything I own. For over a decade. The most voted-on item in its bug tracker has 9 votes on it. RiscOS (which was a wilfully-obtuse comparison on my part, but since you're digging in [edit: in fact, creating an account on HN for no reason except to promote it on this thread], I'll run with it for your benefit) has without question already actually run on a number of devices -- though grante…

Like I said, it sucks that it doesn't start on anything you own, which doesn't take away from the fact that there's literally a massive list of hardware it does actually run on.

And you're right, I created an account to comment on this thread. If you think disagreeing with you on this means I'm "promoting" Haiku as some sort of shill (my two points were literally that it's an OS and it boots on hardware, how controversial) then you're entitled to your opinion I guess.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#15

Post by anilakar »

_sz6q wrote: post #12
handelaar wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having a little philosophical discussion with myself here about whether something that can't run on an actual computer (as opposed to a VM) is in any meaningful sense an "operating system" at all. Meanwhile I can definitely boot RiscOS on a Pi containing built-in apps with a 1987 copyright message in them. I mean I can't then really do anything with it, but it's still got Haiku beat.

It's fine to dislike Haiku because it doesn't run on your hardware, but it's pretty ridiculous to assert it isn't an OS because it "can't run on an actual computer". Haiku runs on tons of hardware, including most of the machines I've tried it on, and it probably runs on far more devices than Risc OS ever has/will. Edit: there's literally a massive thread ( https://discuss.haiku-os.org/t/computers-compatible-with-hai.…

I think the issue is that most spare computers people have at hand are old laptops, which tend to have really finicky hardware when compared to what desktops usually have.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#16

Post by themodelplumber »

I was very impressed with the last version I tried earlier this year. It was fun to use.

I uninstalled it because I needed to get back to a system I knew better for a while. For one minor detail, QMMP had some freezing bug, but man I loved that haiku skin. I guess it's time to try it again and see how it goes with the various use cases.

> improvements to Wi-Fi networking to match FreeBSD 13

Just curious, why this match in particular? Was it a goal of some kind or is this mainly a reference freebie due to the reuse of some component?

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#17

Post by szszrk »

cable2600 wrote: post #2

Free version of BeOS rewritten from scratch using the API levels for compatibility. One step closer to public release.

Is it promising as a basic daily system? Some modern web browser, email client, some common console tools or things like Python to run them? Or maybe there is a ports-like system developed unofficially?

I used to test every iso of Haiku I found, but it felt very much a development project then actual system for simple daily use. I wonder what's the status now.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#18

Post by pjerem »

handelaar wrote: post #10
smallstepforman wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hold shift after BIOS/EFI handoff, and you’ll get lots of boot / diagnostic options. I natively boot on 3 systems without any issues.

Yes, that's definitely a thing I'm going to keep trying when there's several dozen options and every option set that doesn't work either also leaves you looking forever at a dead splash screen or crashes with a white screen full of "no debug on this file" which you can't reboot out of without a hard ACPI reset. It's just dogshit, and it's getting worse.

> It's just dogshit

This thing is being developed by passionate developers on their spare time for maybe two decades. They don’t sell you anything, they don’t force you to install their OS. They just wrote it for fun. The least they deserve is not having to read insults like yours.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#19

Post by _sz6q »

themodelplumber wrote: post #16

I was very impressed with the last version I tried earlier this year. It was fun to use. I uninstalled it because I needed to get back to a system I knew better for a while. For one minor detail, QMMP had some freezing bug, but man I loved that haiku skin. I guess it's time to try it again and see how it goes with the various use cases. > improvements to Wi-Fi networking to match FreeBSD 13 Just curious, why this mat…

The FreeBSD 13 reference is probably because Haiku uses FreeBSD drivers for most of its network drivers via a compatibility layer.

Re: Haiku Beta 3

#20

Post by handelaar »

_sz6q wrote: post #14
handelaar wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never once started on anything I own. For over a decade. The most voted-on item in its bug tracker has 9 votes on it. RiscOS (which was a wilfully-obtuse comparison on my part, but since you're digging in [edit: in fact, creating an account on HN for no reason except to promote it on this thread], I'll run with it for your benefit) has without question already actually run on a number of devices -- though grante…

Like I said, it sucks that it doesn't start on anything you own, which doesn't take away from the fact that there's literally a massive list of hardware it does actually run on. And you're right, I created an account to comment on this thread. If you think disagreeing with you on this means I'm "promoting" Haiku as some sort of shill (my two points were literally that it's an OS and it boots on hardware, how controve…

Why, when it basically apparently doesn't run on laptops, and when it fails to start it provides no hint whatsoever about what to do next, is there no information about what to do next anywhere on the Haiku web site? Why, if your position is that there's a list of hardware (a very well-hidden one, I might add) on which I should be running this, is that list not front-and-centre so I don't waste my time trying to boot it on anything else?

Why, to put it more briefly, does Haiku insist on being treated as a serious operating system when it simultaneously clearly runs on less stuff than most other OSes and yet requires us to pretend that it's in the same class as those other OSes?

(This doesn't happen with ReactOS. But then they don't have the social disability of resolutely insisting that we all pay attention to them as a Very Important Thing.)

[edit: I forgot the big one: after over eleven years would it kill them to at least once spit out a fucking error message? Or is the total lack of information with which a person could file a useful bug report in fact the intent?]

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