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Re: Some stuff I found interesting about number theory research

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What really jazzes me here is this: > "(People learn this stuff via the number theory gossip grapevine apparently?)" With the panoply of dev-oriented social platforms I find it curious that – to my knowledge – nobody who's studied Number Theory, Category Theory, Set Theory, etc. have established a kind of social network for sharing ideas formally. Between LaTeX for Markdown and the limitless Compsci-leaning Maths experts you'd think there would be a thriving online community out there! I only have an undergrad's (very limited) understanding of these topics but feel the ability to create a network for effective communication on these topics is 100% doable. (Isn't this the kindof thing the DAT and IPFS protocols were supposed to solve? P2P protocols/networks for bettering communication?)

Re: Some stuff I found interesting about number theory research

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What really jazzes me here is this: > "(People learn this stuff via the number theory gossip grapevine apparently?)" With the panoply of dev-oriented social platforms I find it curious that – to my knowledge – nobody who's studied Number Theory, Category Theory, Set Theory, etc. have established a kind of social network for sharing ideas formally. Between LaTeX for Markdown and the limitless Compsci-leaning Maths exp…

I do wonder where all the mathematicians / academics hang out online. Now that I'm out of (compsci) grad school, I find myself without like-minded peers to study math with. Currently working my way through Riehl's category theory book, but it's a bit tough without anyone to talk to!

I know there's MathOverflow, and some people in the FP community hang out on IRC. What's the academic equivalent of HN? GitHub? I'm guessing there must be quite a few hard-to-find Discords for specific research communities.

Re: Some stuff I found interesting about number theory research

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This is quite interesting, especially since one of the major objections to computer-aided proofs has that they are more difficult for humans to understand.

Common wisdom has been that proof techniques matter more than the results, but if human-authored proofs are no longer being inspected, it seems like it's just a matter of time before computer-aided proofs take over. I wonder how long it will be before proof assistants (like Lean, Coq, etc.) become ergonomic enough that the average non-technical math researcher will feel social pressure to publish a computer-aided proof along with their result.

Re: Some stuff I found interesting about number theory research

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I did a Ph.D. in number theory, published a few dozen research papers, and have programmed a lot and this post sounds about right to me. I did CS as an undergrad, before doing a math Ph.D., and remember being very surprised that math papers weren't a lot more wrong than they actually are (since computer software is so often full of bugs, and all it takes is one single bug to completely invalidate an entire paper). When I was a grad student at Berkeley, I once asked Serge Lang (who I think wrote the most advanced math textbooks of anybody who ever lived) why mathematics research papers don't have a lot more incorrect results in them. He responded that it was because people secretly "proved" everything to themselves in multiple ways, but only wrote up one proof, and it was unlikely that multiple very different reasons for something being true would all be wrong. Of course, there are serious mistakes and gaps in the literature, though what one person considers a gap, somebody else who knows more might not consider a gap. For example, I remember once that Ernst Kani was complaining to me about a big gap in a paper by Ribet; I didn't believe it, so I read the relevant section and was able to fill in the gap in a few hours sufficiently to satisfy him. In any case, I've spent decades both programming and doing number theory, and despite some similarities, they are very different things. Another related way these threads come together is with Kevin Buzzard's big project to formalize mathematics using LEAN; he's another number theorist, and he told me that a few years ago he started really worrying about the correctness of a lot of number theory papers, and that strongly motivated his interest in LEAN.

Re: Some stuff I found interesting about number theory research

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What really jazzes me here is this: > "(People learn this stuff via the number theory gossip grapevine apparently?)" With the panoply of dev-oriented social platforms I find it curious that – to my knowledge – nobody who's studied Number Theory, Category Theory, Set Theory, etc. have established a kind of social network for sharing ideas formally. Between LaTeX for Markdown and the limitless Compsci-leaning Maths exp…

I do wonder where all the mathematicians / academics hang out online. Now that I'm out of (compsci) grad school, I find myself without like-minded peers to study math with. Currently working my way through Riehl's category theory book, but it's a bit tough without anyone to talk to! I know there's MathOverflow, and some people in the FP community hang out on IRC. What's the academic equivalent of HN? GitHub? I'm gues…

One answer to "What's the academic equivalent of HN?" is "going to week-long conferences and workshops", which often involves a bunch of presentations of papers (with Q&A) and discussions long into the night. Before the pandemic, an academic (such as me) could easily spend the entire summer just going from one conference to another. With the pandemic, there's now a lot of live video chat, and seminar series where everybody gets together in Zoom, there's a talk, and discussion afterwards. Here's an example of such a series for number theory: https://sites.google.com/view/vantageseminar And, here's a massive list of mathematics (and related) online seminars: https://researchseminars.org/

In math there's also a lot more "think deeply and send an email" that happens, rather than things like Hacker News.

Re: Some stuff I found interesting about number theory research

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One of my takeaways: When I see "stitch together black boxes," to me that says that aspects of academic math are becoming similar to opportunistic software development.

When such an effect happens in group psychology it is typically part of the "grounding" effect happening. There is a high supply of theory without the energy to go into analyzing so many individual black boxes anymore, and a correspondingly high demand arises for integrative applications which bring the high-minded ideas down to more fundamental, widely-scoped, or practical effect. Down to earth, so to speak.

Some would think of this as an economic-benefit effect. The point is, it tends to bring all those stitched-together black boxes much closer to the end user space, where application is key, not so much theory.

So I wonder if in the coming years we will see a dramatic closing of the gap between direct access to mathematics inputs and daily living. It may be that the typical non-math-minded individual will soon readily and happily bootstrap themselves into the language of mathematics via the closing in of a perception of direct competitive or economic value.

To share an example, in 2003 I started to use a node-based editor to edit 3D textures for graphics projects. This node-based tool gave more control than standard sliders, color pickers, and checkboxes. But soon I discovered that in a lot of cases it was easier to enter a math formula in a node than to chain nodes together. Maybe a single checkbox designated whether the function was periodic, but other than that, enter math here, please. Your mathematical wish is our graphics-producing command.

So I wonder if we'll soon get to the point where formulaic systems control with direct mathematic input will be more desirable and common in unified system interfaces that are found in office and household work.

Let's say you want to write the perfect formula for a given air quality factor in your office...

Or your competitive game which allows you to program AIs is made much more efficient if you can tweak formulae by hand...

Or you need to design a new form of printed steak, but simple toggles and switches just won't do...

(Then...when the time is right for the black-box theory end to pick up a lot of momentum again, imagine how large a pool of new mathematicians will be ready...)

Re: Some stuff I found interesting about number theory research

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I did a Ph.D. in number theory, published a few dozen research papers, and have programmed a lot and this post sounds about right to me. I did CS as an undergrad, before doing a math Ph.D., and remember being very surprised that math papers weren't a lot more wrong than they actually are (since computer software is so often full of bugs, and all it takes is one single bug to completely invalidate an entire paper). Wh…

During an undergraduate research program, I discovered a gap in a theory in PDEs which I’m assuming nobody else did because I was the only one who tried to follow each step (just getting that far was the entire purpose of the effort!). My advisor said it would be best to fix the gap before publishing about it because multiple students entering the job market depended on the result being true. That was an eye-opening social experience.

Re: Some stuff I found interesting about number theory research

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I wonder if they have the equivalent the engineers who bemoan the fact that some React developers make functioning websites without “knowing anything about how CPUs or memory models work”.

Bourbaki was a thing so probably. And we know the joke about Bourbaki and Lang. Though the reference is diminished by the latter’s relationship with the former.

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