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Why are used cars so expensive right now?

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Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#61
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The Kia Telluride is selling for quite a bit more than MSRP, used. Apparently dealerships are asking for more than MSRP new and that is part of it (in addition to/because of low availability)

The thing I find oddest about that, is I always hear about the Telluride, but the Hyundai Palisade rarely comes up. I couldn't figure how they could differ enough to cause such a disparity. I assume in reality, Palisade pricing has to be similar, right?

Now I say that, but I also think I can answer my own question.

Mainly, I would say I'm hilariously confused by how Hyundai positions Kia and Hyundai. Like on paper it I thought that Kia is supposed to be the sportier one, and Hyundai (nominally) luxury. But when I was shopping, both had really confusing trim levels, and Hyundai was especially odd because you really had to trim up to get what I would call a luxury car, leather upholstery was the big one.

The marketing seemed to try and paint Hyundai as like refined style, but the actual car features of the two brands just made me hella confused. I think it's safe to say Hyundai/Kia made a lot of strides, they could use some work there.

Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#62
post #28

Now's the time to sell a car if you have an extra to spare. One of the few times in history when cars actually appreciate. A car I bought for 53k 4 years ago I could've sold for 55k last week until I got cold feet. lol

I just noticed a '86 toyota truck on CL going with an asking price of $28,000.00

I noticed it because I like their trucks, especially the 22r/re ones.

It did have less than 30,000 miles though.

The price of that truck is no more than 5 grand, even with the low miles.

(Anyone looking for a ride, I have this tip. When four door vehicles are aging out of what Uber demands, they price of the used vechicle goes way down. Look for vechicles that have aged out of the app, or close to it.)

Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#63
I think there are another two reasons not mentioned in the article. One is the surge in electric car sales, many people are still on the fence and want to wait a year or two before they decide if they want to move to an electric car. That's why they don't sell their own car yet.

The other reason is that in a certain time during the last 20 years there was a sweet sport of car reliability when cars were not too sophisticated but also got rid of all their childhood deficiencies and they can simply go forever. All those corollas and their ilk are just there and not going anywhere so people has no reason to buy new cars instead of those.

Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#64

So cars, wood + building supplies, labour, food, shipping all dramatically increased. What’s the best hedge against hyperinflation? Crypto? Ether?

Stocks, real estate are the best imho. Crypto has too much volatility, low correlation. BTC fell in half. not a reliable hedge.

Stocks are vastly superior to real-estate. Businesses with reliable growth and some pricing power.

The S&P500 has generated approximately a 266% return in the past 20 years (ex any dividends). The average home sale price has climbed by just under 100% in that time.

Real-estate will nail you annually on property taxes (although not in every state) and you have to maintain it (let's assume a best case and you own it without a mortgage).

You can sit on a stock you bought for a decade, not sell it, let it appreciate by a lot, and incur zero taxes on the holding the entire time.

The average US house incurs ~$2,500 in property taxes each year (a painful expense across a decade). And you have to out that cash every year. If for any reason you can't come up with the taxes, they seize your property; that doesn't happen with a stock holding. The government doesn't care if the real-estate is going up in value or not, they want their property taxes. At least if your equities don't go up, you owe nothing when you sell. Equity trades also have zero commission now in most cases - you can sell a million dollars worth of stock at zero commission; you can't do anything remotely like that in most cases with real-estate.

Most real-estate struggles just to keep up with inflation. Average home sale prices haven't managed to outrun the cost inflation in average new car sales in the past 20 years. You're probably as well off sitting on gold ETFs like GLD or IAU as you are typical real-estate as an inflation hedge (IAU only has a 0.25% management fee, far lower than the typical real-estate property tax).

In most states your real-estate will also suffer a persistently climbing tax basis if you're lucky enough to see value gains; and local governments love to increase property taxes whenever they can.

And last but not least, in most cases you can click a button and liquidate your stock holdings in a matter of seconds or minutes with near zero hassle.

Obviously that equation changes if you're an experienced, competent property manager and you can get a healthy yield from your real-estate; however that's a serious job, with an enormous time/effort/labor/legal/mental burden, not a low-effort side task (much less a near zero effort task like sitting on the S&P index).

Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#66
post #28

Now's the time to sell a car if you have an extra to spare. One of the few times in history when cars actually appreciate. A car I bought for 53k 4 years ago I could've sold for 55k last week until I got cold feet. lol

Just did and got a good price. The only problem is I'll probably need to buy another once Covid calms down and we go back to work. I'm going to try to use public transit and cycling for a bit, but the reality is I'll need to get another car within a year. Hopefully someone has a small, cheap electric by then.

Is Covid going to calm down, what comes after Delta?

Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#67
Inflation and the fact that new cars are super hard to come by. I just bought a new truck, I was able to get the allocation as I have a friend at the dealer. I got the only allocation they were getting this summer, and I’ve been waiting since March.

Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#68

Almost everything is expensive now. Look how much assets in general have gone up: stocks, real estate, collectibles, commodities, and so on. College, healthcare, and insurance too. No reason cars should be an exception.

Exactly. Nobody dares yet to tell it's inflation.

High demand and low supply due to supply chain slowness doesn't immediately translate to price inflation. Prices go up in this scenario but the question is if it's just temporary (meaning supply eventually meets demand or demand goes away over time) or it is in fact permanent inflation.

Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#69
post #16

Is it a good time to sell a used car and buy a new car? Or are the new cars equally as inflated?

New cars are not nearly as inflated. The answer to the first question is yes, it's a very good time to sell old and buy new. One stipulation is that ordering a new vehicle with specifications they don't have on the lot will take in the realm of 6 months. Pretty big trade off, but I'm about to deal with this myself and can afford the time difference.

New cars aren't nearly as inflated, but the higher starting price of a new car means the absolute change is still more than a use car.

Re: Why are used cars so expensive right now?

#70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stocks, real estate are the best imho. Crypto has too much volatility, low correlation. BTC fell in half. not a reliable hedge.

Stocks are vastly superior to real-estate. Businesses with reliable growth and some pricing power. The S&P500 has generated approximately a 266% return in the past 20 years (ex any dividends). The average home sale price has climbed by just under 100% in that time. Real-estate will nail you annually on property taxes (although not in every state) and you have to maintain it (let's assume a best case and you own it wi…

I used to think this way and realized there were two key things I missed (these are game changers).

1) There are places where the appreciation on the primary residence is not-taxed or taxed at a low rate. I.e. In HCOL areas, people who just bought a house and did nothing much in life (say, drove an Uber just to make ends meet), are worth 1-2 million dollars after tax.

2) When you buy real-estate through a mortgage, you are getting massive leverage on your investment. Would I borrow 5x my principal to buy shares? No! Why is that? If prices go down on shares and I bought on margin, I can get a margin call. If I have a 25-30 year mortgage, I can ride the ups and downs.

These are all my personal experiences .. I followed blogs like greaterfool and totally missed out on some key aspects in life. Owning a home was a much more pleasant life experience than renting for me personally. It is certainly more risky (with respect to restricting job mobility), and more expensive in some respects (utilities). I just want to provide a counterpoint to your argument. Not a financial advisor so pls don't take stock in anything I say :)

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