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America's “Friendscape” Crisis

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Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

#11
post #5

Modern Americans suck at building and maintaining community. Everyone wants to play in the sandbox but no one wants to rake it.

I would counter that modern Americ a sucks for supporting communities. Our policies are mostly geared around creating never-ending strip malls, endless suburban neighborhoods, and omnipresent traffic issues. Because these things most efficiently create tax revenue, happy "what my parents had" families, and income segregated areas. Similar to college, fixing America starts with deciding that everyone doesn't need a si…

As unpopular as this might be to say, and as environmentally unfriendly as it is, I've known my neighbors in every house I lived in; even when my friends and I rented a house in college, and after I was done with college, and I've rented houses with friends. They weren't always thrilled to see renters move in, but when we mowed the grass or were grilling, etc. you're forced to look over the fence and say "hey". Apartments offer a sense of odd anonymity, where very few know each other unless they already do, for some reason, especially in more urban areas. I was never more anonymous than when I lived in a city proper, living in an apartment building. The only people who knew my name were my coworkers.

EDIT... atrocious grammar

Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

#12
post #8

Personally I realized during the Pandemic that a lot of the relationships I'd fostered over the course of my adult life were lead by a desperate desire for belonging rather than on sober considerations such as: do these people respect me at all?; do these people care about my inner life at all?; do these people share a desire for growth beyond that of our local maximums?; do these people have any ambition at all? - t…

>do these people respect me at all?; do these people care about my inner life at all?; do these people share a desire for growth beyond that of our local maximums?; do these people have any ambition at all?

That's a nice list of traits for a friend to have, but since a person will literally go insane if they don't have any human contact, I would advise finding better friends first before dumping the bad ones.

Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

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Personally, I'm convinced that parasocial relationships are outcompeting social relationships. You can risk your ego putting yourself out there in real life, or you can let a recommendation algorithm serve you content that gives you the feeling of being seen and understood without requiring any reciprocal vulnerability on your part.

Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

#14
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would counter that modern Americ a sucks for supporting communities. Our policies are mostly geared around creating never-ending strip malls, endless suburban neighborhoods, and omnipresent traffic issues. Because these things most efficiently create tax revenue, happy "what my parents had" families, and income segregated areas. Similar to college, fixing America starts with deciding that everyone doesn't need a si…

As unpopular as this might be to say, and as environmentally unfriendly as it is, I've known my neighbors in every house I lived in; even when my friends and I rented a house in college, and after I was done with college, and I've rented houses with friends. They weren't always thrilled to see renters move in, but when we mowed the grass or were grilling, etc. you're forced to look over the fence and say "hey". Apart…

One thing I've been confused about, from the time I've visited friends and (briefly) lived in big box condo / apartment buildings... why aren't there more community spaces?

And no, I don't mean "the pool" or "the weight room." I mean actual lounge areas. Social areas. Hell, even Marriott's Residence Inns do a better job than your average building.

Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

#15
post #5

Modern Americans suck at building and maintaining community. Everyone wants to play in the sandbox but no one wants to rake it.

I would counter that modern Americ a sucks for supporting communities. Our policies are mostly geared around creating never-ending strip malls, endless suburban neighborhoods, and omnipresent traffic issues. Because these things most efficiently create tax revenue, happy "what my parents had" families, and income segregated areas. Similar to college, fixing America starts with deciding that everyone doesn't need a si…

Our policies are mostly geared around creating never-ending strip malls, endless suburban neighborhoods, and omnipresent traffic issues. Because these things most efficiently create tax revenue, happy "what my parents had" families, and income segregated areas.

I doubt that they are most efficient at generating tax revenue, especially when considering density and infrastructure maintenance.

Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

#16
post #8

Personally I realized during the Pandemic that a lot of the relationships I'd fostered over the course of my adult life were lead by a desperate desire for belonging rather than on sober considerations such as: do these people respect me at all?; do these people care about my inner life at all?; do these people share a desire for growth beyond that of our local maximums?; do these people have any ambition at all? - t…

I think it's okay to have friends you don't have a super deep relationship with as long as you enjoy being around them.

Like I have quite a few people I'll get together to play board games with, and I enjoy their company for that, but we don't do a whole lot outside of that (sometimes a dinner or a movie or go to a special event, but not too often).

Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

#17
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As unpopular as this might be to say, and as environmentally unfriendly as it is, I've known my neighbors in every house I lived in; even when my friends and I rented a house in college, and after I was done with college, and I've rented houses with friends. They weren't always thrilled to see renters move in, but when we mowed the grass or were grilling, etc. you're forced to look over the fence and say "hey". Apart…

One thing I've been confused about, from the time I've visited friends and (briefly) lived in big box condo / apartment buildings... why aren't there more community spaces? And no, I don't mean "the pool" or "the weight room." I mean actual lounge areas. Social areas. Hell, even Marriott's Residence Inns do a better job than your average building.

Agreed. I'd love to see more apartment buildings have bakeries, cafes, or other public spaces on the ground floor. Then you can get to know not only your neighbours in your own apartment building, but in shared spaces for the surrounding areas too.

Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

#19
> And the friendship drought could get worse with more people working remotely or hybrid-ly.

It may be just a consequence of my circumstances, but work for me has never been the place to “make friends” and actually remote work enables my social life more, even by just a minuscule amount.

In regards to making friends in general. I always find myself the odd one out in every environment. At work particularly, I’m typically substantially younger than my colleagues some of which are old enough to be my parents or grandparents. Not that you cannot develop friendships with an age gap like that, but I don’t think it’s advisable. Majority of these people have there own life, are in the process of settling down or have their own families already. We are simply at different stages of life and it’s unlikely to result in any true friendships.

I don’t really have a social life either, which feels pretty faking at my age, but I do try to go out at least once or twice in the weekends. Over the years, I’ve had a number of acquaintances I’ve met, but no friends really. In most of the groups I hang out in, I find the same issue as work, though on a smaller scale. Still generally to young to develop any sort of bond with the people I’m with, but the gap tends to be smaller so that there’s still some things we can relate on. If I’m not the youngest in the room, it seems in the oldest, which is honestly an even more uneasy feeling as I have a hard time relating to most of my own generation, despite certainly exhibiting some characteristics of it.

Some people in this thread have additionally mentioned the resource of time as an inhibitor to developing friendships. I can understand this. I generally enjoy the occasions I get to go out or sometimes stay home and enjoy myself, but there’s always an uneasy feeling about how afterwards it’ll be another week of mindless wageslaving before I get a chance to to relax again.

Ultimately, I haven’t really made any friends since I was maybe 15 or so. This makes sense though, as since adulthood, I’ve basically been divorced from any sort of environment where young people find themselves. Having never gone to school I was mostly isolated from my peers from 18-24, and while there are many people at that age who do not tend to go to school and do well socially, I believe that at least a small majority of those people tend to choose paths that put them in communities with similar people, whereas I’ve always been out of place, demographically speaking, whether that be in impoverished dumps or next to moderately wealthy professionals/retirees. Though I am now coming around to the age where many of my peers will leave school and enter the “real world” I don’t think much will come of it as I have a bad history of always being in the wrong place at the wrong time (doubly so career wise, ha)

Re: America's “Friendscape” Crisis

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post #17
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I've been confused about, from the time I've visited friends and (briefly) lived in big box condo / apartment buildings... why aren't there more community spaces? And no, I don't mean "the pool" or "the weight room." I mean actual lounge areas. Social areas. Hell, even Marriott's Residence Inns do a better job than your average building.

Agreed. I'd love to see more apartment buildings have bakeries, cafes, or other public spaces on the ground floor. Then you can get to know not only your neighbours in your own apartment building, but in shared spaces for the surrounding areas too.

My apartment (in Germany, not USA) has that. I hope it reopens after the pandemic.
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