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Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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> All credit to her for an extremely strong ride. And a better strategy, which is a major part of competition. People commenting on her being lucky. She had a better strategy.

I mean, it worked in this case, but winning from the break, especially for an important race like this, is rare. They were definitely lucky.

She was at least 40km alone in the wind. There she needed 20-30% more energy then the riders in the peleton. So this was a incredible performance while the peleton calculated wrong.

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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Some additional context for those who don't follow professional cycling: the Dutch women's team was incredibly strong coming into this road race. All 4 riders on their team are stars in their own right, and the only reason there wasn't a clear favorite for the race overall is that people weren't sure which Dutch rider would win. So you have a complicated group dynamic, where the majority of the peloton has no interes…

> All credit to her for an extremely strong ride. And a better strategy, which is a major part of competition. People commenting on her being lucky. She had a better strategy.

Breaks are rarely a winning strategy (on mountains they are, but those are a pure display of strength and will-power). Granted she is a mathematician and might be literate in road racing strategy but I'm sure a lot of that strategy is down to experience which she doesn't have.

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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Some additional context for those who don't follow professional cycling: the Dutch women's team was incredibly strong coming into this road race. All 4 riders on their team are stars in their own right, and the only reason there wasn't a clear favorite for the race overall is that people weren't sure which Dutch rider would win. So you have a complicated group dynamic, where the majority of the peloton has no interes…

Oh communication is so important, isn't it? There's even an old Slim Gaillard song about that I used to lindy hop to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teaxWYRH9A4 What I've read, Kiesenhofer would have preferred to race the time trial instead of the the road race, she even told that the austrian press just before the race. A breakout gives you the advantage of riding your own pace at our optimal and constant power leve…

It would be a breath of fresh air for Tour de France if they did not use radios.

Another outcome could be that we would not see the same rider winning multiple years, simply due to missing radios.

All in all seems like a win for viewers.

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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post #72
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All credit to her for an extremely strong ride. And a better strategy, which is a major part of competition. People commenting on her being lucky. She had a better strategy.

Breaks are rarely a winning strategy (on mountains they are, but those are a pure display of strength and will-power). Granted she is a mathematician and might be literate in road racing strategy but I'm sure a lot of that strategy is down to experience which she doesn't have.

https://youtu.be/mccKzTdfXts

But when they are it's amazing to watch. Completely different circumstances though.

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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Is it possible that an outlier, an amateur, a lone wolf, was able for a moment to draw the strength and determination that would lead to victory and not even the best in the world stood a chance. Of is as you say....she was lucky and her victory was just a series of unfortunate circumstances for the other riders. I want to believe that there was no one that day that could beat her.

It would be nice to believe, but when second place celebrates like she won says she wasn't aware of a rider up the road, it's not just not the story today. Perhaps if they had known and chased, Kiesenhofer still would have been able to hold them off, but we'll never know. I also wouldn't call the rest of the peloton "unfortunate." They knew keeping track of the breakaway would be especially important given the lack o…

A few months ago on my usual round I (6'3", 103kg) by chance teamed up with a much smaller woman. I felt the draft effet even when I was behind her rather small statue, and it was a fun and quick ride. Then came a bus of five riders working even better then we did and they went by at an incredible speed. Since then I humbly accept that breakouts winning a race is rare.

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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post #18

Some additional context for those who don't follow professional cycling: the Dutch women's team was incredibly strong coming into this road race. All 4 riders on their team are stars in their own right, and the only reason there wasn't a clear favorite for the race overall is that people weren't sure which Dutch rider would win. So you have a complicated group dynamic, where the majority of the peloton has no interes…

Sorry but this is ridiculous! Everyone who participates at the olympics must be a professional athlete. Especially, if you are favorite. Observing the environment around you should be obvious?! It is not like Anna Kiesenhofer had the one ring on her finger and was invisible...

She finished over a full minute ahead of second place and at one point had as much as a ten minute lead. She was out of sight for most of the race.

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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Interesting preparation twitter thread by Anna Kiesenhofer on body temperature https://twitter.com/AnnaKiesenhofer/status/14113592085247262...

Interesting, the race taking place on a hot day and she doesn't feel hot when her core peaks at 39.3 degrees.

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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Sorry but this is ridiculous! Everyone who participates at the olympics must be a professional athlete. Especially, if you are favorite. Observing the environment around you should be obvious?! It is not like Anna Kiesenhofer had the one ring on her finger and was invisible...

She finished over a full minute ahead of second place and at one point had as much as a ten minute lead. She was out of sight for most of the race.

Ok so you want to explain to me that when she was breaking out from the group at the beginning she was invisible?

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh communication is so important, isn't it? There's even an old Slim Gaillard song about that I used to lindy hop to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teaxWYRH9A4 What I've read, Kiesenhofer would have preferred to race the time trial instead of the the road race, she even told that the austrian press just before the race. A breakout gives you the advantage of riding your own pace at our optimal and constant power leve…

It would be a breath of fresh air for Tour de France if they did not use radios. Another outcome could be that we would not see the same rider winning multiple years, simply due to missing radios. All in all seems like a win for viewers.

Totally, and way more fun to watch and even ride in too. I feel like pro cycling is way too cold and clinical these days.

Re: Anna Kiesenhofer: Mathematician, amateur cyclist, Olympic champion

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post #71

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I mean, it worked in this case, but winning from the break, especially for an important race like this, is rare. They were definitely lucky.

She was at least 40km alone in the wind. There she needed 20-30% more energy then the riders in the peleton. So this was a incredible performance while the peleton calculated wrong.

And she was in the wind regularly (in a small group of 3) for the other 100km. Incredible.
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