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Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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> the warehouse worker is neither seen nor heard by the customer; at least at Walmart, you go to a store and you see the workers — you know they exist. This made me think of the movie 'The Island' where in one scene, somewhere in the beginning of the movie, they show us the work our protagonists do in their community. There are tubes coming out of the wall on one side of the room and out the other; tubes which have a…

>"I believe the human needs for growth and play are foundational to a happy society, and in modern society, those needs go massively unmet, and the working class is being squeezed and squeezed like never before (not to mention the workers in the global south who I would argue are exploited to an even greater extent [3])."

I believe the fundamental problem we are facing is one of over-correction with constant meddling. We simply are making more "humans" than we know what to do with or that the market can bear. Simplistically I'd say this devalues the value of our labour way more than we're comfortable occurring, but at the same time we're too uncomfortable to say that maybe we shouldn't be allowing our population to grow unchecked like this.

It's a multi-generational ponzi scheme that we are running in order to make this all work, and we're starting to see the gaps form. What we see makes us uncomfortable, but we can't describe why or form a concrete opinion against it. And goodness we definitely can't tell people that it's not their fundamental right to impose obligations on the rest of us to take care of the poor new souls they bring into this world without thinking it through.

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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I’m going to make a prediction/wild guess as to what the future will look like. Edit: I do want to emphasize the “wild guess” aspect of this!

Since capitalism is now international, nation states are losing the ability to regulate it. This would lead to collapse though, eventually, and the international capitalist class is recognizing that. Recently the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development proposed a minimum corporate tax of 15%. I foresee that most law and regulations governing the business and financial world will be decided by international NGOs and banking organizations, not nation states.

However those organizations have no real interest in the well being of the working class, so I would predict that inequality will continue to increase and capitalism will become more and more authoritarian and the capitalist class will become more and more isolated from the workers, to the point that they will become unaware of the suffering of the mass of the people. Small businesses of any kind will be gone; only large institutions will survive and diverse competition will be replaced by a series of necrotic monopolies.

At some point in the future this will either become unbearable and a global revolution will occur, leading to some unified government, maybe democratic, maybe not, or the corporate class will have good enough tools of control that a grinding dismal stability will be achieved.

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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Is there an argument for not having Amazon as an employer in these towns? Is there an argument for not having Amazon support the local school system? I understand that working conditions are rarely ideal. Many would prefer to enjoy leisure and collect a paycheck as the ideal source of income. Jobs pay because workers need an incentive to provide labor. What exactly would JacobinMag.com's alternative to Amazon employm…

> Is there an argument for not having Amazon as an employer in these towns?

> Why aren't they providing this alternative?

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy#Perfect_soluti...

Why are you opposed to this critique? You can offer critique without needing to provide alternatives. From your questions it sounds like you yourself are falling victim to the 'just world fallacy'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis

If you have/had kids, would you be excited to hear the following story from them about their day? Probably not, yet this is exactly what's happened in marginalized communities.

From the article:

""A dozen students sat clustered at work tables inside an air-conditioned classroom, which was designed to emulate the inside of an Amazon facility. On one wall, Amazon’s giant logo grinned across a yellow and green banner. The words “CUSTOMER OBSESSION” and “DELIVER RESULTS” were painted against a corporate-style yellow backdrop. On a whiteboard, a teacher had written the words “Logistics Final Project,” and the lesson of the day was on Amazon’s “14 Leadership Principles.” Each teenager wore a company golf shirt emblazoned with the Amazon logo.

Students and staff members expressed pride in being associated with the company. Amazon partnered with the school as part of its five-year anniversary in the Inland Empire, donating $50,000 to start the pilot program, the giant sweepstakes-style Amazon check displayed prominently at the classroom entrance. The students had already taken field trips to tour the nearby Amazon warehouse."

A public high-school classroom designed to resemble an Amazon facility, with students wearing Amazon logos on their clothing as they memorize Amazon’s leadership principles (which, it is worth noting, also include “Ownership” and “Think Big,” injunctions that hold merit for readers of this magazine when imagining how we might solve the problems exemplified by Amazon). Such a relationship between the company and public goods like a high school is part of what it means to consider Amazon as “the major working-class space of suburban and exurban socialization.”

The behemoth is here, producing not only profit but people, too. That entails corporate indoctrination, social estrangement, and profound alienation from one’s labor, which is particularly meaningless as one breaks one’s body to get so many goods to people’s doors."

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19th century? This smells more of medieval style feudalism.

>This smells more of medieval style feudalism. In what way? Are people obligated to work for amazon?

When Amazon is the only viable place of employment in your town, yes.

Look to Walmart- America's largest supermarket chain, and America's second largest employer (second only to the U.S. government). Rural America is a sea of "Walmart towns", where the best employment is the only employment.

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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> There needs to be naming and shaming It's probably easier to name and promote the few places that don't do the "39.5hr week".

I thought the cutoff was 29.5 hours, otherwise they would have to offer health insurance due to the Affordable Care Act. I haven’t worked those types of jobs in 10+ years but that’s how it was back then at least.

My wife worked at lowes for years, and they were serious about the ".5", even. they reported to the IRS that they'd sell us health insurance for $90/mo for a family plan; but then all they could actually sell to us was a $400/mo each plan; and we never did figure out that one... before her health deteriorated to the point she had to quit that job.

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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>$15 an hour, Amazon’s starting wage, is below the average for the warehousing industry Where are they getting this information? The average wage in the US is lower, like $13-14. https://www.indeed.com/career/warehouse-worker/salaries https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Warehouse_Worker/Ho...

>Our starting hourly wages are at least $15 per hour for all full time, part time, and seasonal employees and contractors.

https://www.aboutamazon.com/workplace/employee-benefits

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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3 more anecdotes isn't going to make the data any better :)

It makes 3 points better. Just needs a few thousand more!

The problem is not the number of points but the sampling method. It should be properly randomize to be useful.

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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The article seems to contain nothing that would qualify for the words "Company Town". It appears to boil down "look amazon is big, surely it means that it must be evil!".

Even the phrase "company town" itself does not signify anything evil. In fact I'm wondering if such a place might be better than the usual government administered cities and towns.

Doesn't it? It usually signifies abuses like being paid in company "currency" only usable in company owned stores, being unable to change jobs without having to move ( with the associated inability to refuse whatever the employer throws at you, however hard/illegal/dangerous).

Is there anything positive about company towns? Maybe they're better than towns with no jobs, but I'm not even sure about that..

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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A lot of people in this thread are caught up with the term "company town". I agree this headline is poorly chosen. The article itself lacks depth.

For a better analysis of Amazon's entrenched relationship with the Inland Empire in California, check out Erika Hayasaki's writing for the NY Times Magazine: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/magazine/amazon-workers-e...

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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I have a long-time friend who tried to get an Amazon Warehouse job after relocating to a new city for his SO’s career. Given all of the negative press he assumed they’d be desperate for employees and he could walk right into the job. It turns out those jobs are highly competitive in the area because they paid relatively well and had good benefits. The hourly rate alone doesn’t tell the full story. Many more typical w…

A relative worked at Amazon’s warehouse, he described it as slightly above average pay for the area with above average benefits. However, the job really sucks, injuries are common, and turnover is high at least in VA. There is a huge range of warehouse jobs including many with a lot of paid downtime, the easier the job the less they can pay.

Serious question, how do you injure yourself in an Amazon warehouse? I thought there wasn't any heavy machinery or other dangerous machines. Is it just from too much walking?
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