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Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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> I am not an accountant but presumably any material issuance of some sort of scrip that could be exchanged for goods would be seen as tax evasion. It's not. You just have to pay taxes on it.

At which point, why would I want "fake" money that I could only spend in one place rather than real dollars? (That said, this does happen at a small scale with things like peer reward points and so forth but that's a fairly straightforward point->dollar exchange through things like gift cards.)

>At which point, why would I want "fake" money that I could only spend in one place rather than real dollars?

You might want it because the company paying you "fake" money gives you more than the competitor that gives you legal tender. The company might also give you access to discounted goods/services, which makes each dollar of the "fake" money more valuable. There's another comment that goes to this in more detail: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27948860

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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I don't see starting average pay on the OOH website, only median pay.

So a measure less skewed by outliers, even better.

It’s pretty flattering to Amazon to compare them to the industry median pay and find that their starting pay beats it. If you start at Amazon you beat half of all warehouse workers across their entire tenure.

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19th century? This smells more of medieval style feudalism.

From a peon^Wworker's point of view, there may not be much of a difference between a medieval fiefdom and a 19th century company town. The term "robber baron" is apt.

There was enormous difference. For one thing, workers in company towns were free to quit and move somewhere else, while medieval peasants could not.

Re: Amazon Is Creating Company Towns Across the United States

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An extremely efficient and competent corporation doing everything it can to deliver goods cheaper and faster to hundreds of millions of people while creating value for tens of millions of shareholders? And now it has more and more impact running social services too? How dare they do this travesty without democratic oversight. Clearly the best way forward is to regulate them so that they are on a level playing field w…

How dare workers ask to not be treated like shit! /s You do know Amazon has been caught union busting right? I'm not so sure what your definition of democracy is when workers can't voice their concerns.

Interesting. I must have missed the point when unions became about voicing concerns. Last I recall, creating unions is an attempt at monopolizing labor to extort the employer. When this tactic is applied to any other factor of production it is called a “cartel” and engaged in “market manipulation.”

How surprising that employers who pay above-market wages do not wish to be extorted further. All the modern propaganda says they have to welcome this benevolent expression of democratic freedoms!

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So what? The EU and other similar institutions require their branding to be present in classes too. I'd rather have obviously absurd corporate branding than slow but sure political indoctrination (e.g. the EU makes it look like the local government is incapable of doing anything on its own, while the fact is that everything worked pretty well before the EU and even today 90%+ of funding is local - but the EU flag mus…

I went to school in British and French schools and never saw European flags. You’re talking absolute nonsense.

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I have a long-time friend who tried to get an Amazon Warehouse job after relocating to a new city for his SO’s career. Given all of the negative press he assumed they’d be desperate for employees and he could walk right into the job. It turns out those jobs are highly competitive in the area because they paid relatively well and had good benefits. The hourly rate alone doesn’t tell the full story. Many more typical w…

>He said a lot of them tried to hire people for less than full time to avoid having to provide benefits. There needs to be naming and shaming of those that perpetuate this practice. I know retailers (Tractor Supply) for cashiers. If you're doing warehouse work, you are part of the logistics backbone, you deserve not to have your chain jerked around. Arguably, no one should be getting their chain jerked around, but I'…

> There needs to be naming and shaming of those that perpetuate this practice.

Government, by tieing things that should be universal to mandates to employers who employ a person for a certain number of hours in a week. Which, in addition to promoting this kind of behavior as a cost/utility optimization, encourages a feudal lord-servant relationship between employers and employees rather than a capitalist market-exchange relationship, and necessarily (even ignoring the effect of the optimization incentives) assures that what should be universal is instead limited to a narrower fully-employed class.

If the government provides the benefit universally and taxes to cover the costs, the perverse incentives to limit employment and further narrow access to the intended general benefit is eliminated.

Naming and shaming the people who follow the incentives government creates is pointless; name and shame the government for setting up the broken system of incentives. Any other target is just a perpetual game of whack-a-mole.

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So what? The EU and other similar institutions require their branding to be present in classes too. I'd rather have obviously absurd corporate branding than slow but sure political indoctrination (e.g. the EU makes it look like the local government is incapable of doing anything on its own, while the fact is that everything worked pretty well before the EU and even today 90%+ of funding is local - but the EU flag mus…

the EU doesn't require its "branding" present in schools. also, even If that was the case, there is an enormous difference between amazon and the European union. mainly the fact that as a citizen I can vote (directly through the parlement elections, indirectly through council of ministers which is made up of elected officials of member states) who is in "control" of the governance of the European union. while I canno…

The EU definitely needs it's 'branding' just as does Nike.

You did not even know who Ursula Von Der Leyen was when you went to the polls - she was 'decided' as your leader in a back room, closed door meeting in which MEPs had no influence. When you cast your vote, you had no clue what her platform was, or what she would bring about as leader.

To suggest that this is somehow 'democratic' is a farce. The EU was designed to keep the plebes at bay.

Whether it's the fact that voters have almost no role in leadership selection, that leaders can be chosen arbitrarily, that there is no required vetting process, that MEPs cannot introduce legislation, have very limited power to censure leaders, there is almost zero voter awareness of the political apparatus, the individuals or contemporary issues, low voter turnout, that constitutional rights were ceded to the EU without referendum, or worse, that clear and unambiguous referendum results directed leaders to not cede power to the EU - they did it anyhow. The EU has barely any claim to democratic legitimacy, people promulgating it as such are propagandizing.

Literally French voters unambiguously rejected the Treaty of Lisbon - and it was ratified anyhow ceding major elements of sovereignty.

If they wanted democracy the commission would have direct elections and/or the MEPs would chose directly, and, there would be a lot of rules around campaigning etc. You wouldn't possibly be able to vote for the President of a Commission without knowing who they were. MEPs would certainly be allowed to introduced legislation and censure leaders.

So yes, it does take a lot of 'marketing' to convince people of the legitimacy of something when it doesn't have that legitimacy in many ways.

The EU had nothing to with keeping the peace in the Post WW2 order, that was 1) The Marshall Plan and the American Nuclear Umbrella 2) NATO and existential threat from the USSR and 3) The EEC.

The reason the EU wants their flag in the town council chambers is the same as Nike might want that, or the French Government might want their flag especially in parts of France that are not historically very French i.e. it's a form of marketing/propaganda, like anything else.

I don't like Amazon, so I don't buy from them. If people did that, they wouldn't have their weird company towns and creepy 'high school sponsorships'.

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An extremely efficient and competent corporation doing everything it can to deliver goods cheaper and faster to hundreds of millions of people while creating value for tens of millions of shareholders? And now it has more and more impact running social services too? How dare they do this travesty without democratic oversight. Clearly the best way forward is to regulate them so that they are on a level playing field w…

What happens when the largest employer in the company town shuts the warehouse or whatever town? I guess the town shuts down, right?

No, it goes back to square one. Amazon is not literally building these towns. These towns have been there before. Then Amazon came, and made job market better. If it leaves, it won’t be worse off than it was on the first place.

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I suppose the name of the magazine implies this, but the amount of "concept terms" loaded into each sentence sounds so old timey, or something, to me. " Such a relationship between the company and public goods like a high school is part of what it means to consider Amazon as “the major working-class space of suburban and exurban socialization.” The behemoth is here, producing not only profit but people, too. That ent…

It’s socialist intelligentsia lingo. For whatever reason, that field writes in a style that favors high-specificity jargon.

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I went to school in British and French schools and never saw European flags. You’re talking absolute nonsense.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/09/02/french-and-eu-flags-comp... For obvious reasons there's no British equivalent.

If you bothered to read the article you linked, you would know it says this is a French policy decision, not mandated by the EU Commission. Also that it was a compromise with a right wing party wanting the French flag prominently displayed in classrooms.
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