>For all Johnston’s proselytizing, he lacks a pushiness. Instead, he exudes—and has worked on cultivating—patience and calm
He's a con man and a mooch. Nothing special. He just mooches off other people's effort.
A Victoria man has gone two decades without money
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Re: A Victoria man has gone two decades without money
#72He wants everyone to suddenly stop using money. If that happened, who would wash the dishes? Many communes have failed over this exact issue. They go on for several years with several people, usually women, making the sacrifice and doing what needs to be done. But eventually, the people who do the dishes get fed up and stop, or leave. And then the whole thing collapses. The alternative is for the leaders to have some…
> They go on for several years with several people, usually women, making the sacrifice and doing what needs to be done.
While I agree with most of what's said above, the proposition about "usually women, making the sacrifice" is dubious at best, if not untrue.
In any society or commune few will lead - the rest will be workers or followers. These will be both men and women, and they will both suffer from necessary sacrifices. Women are not a special class of people in those societies, and to claim that they suffer more prejudice is the usual sort of feminist-speak that has nothing to do with the reality of such communes.
Re: A Victoria man has gone two decades without money
#73He wants everyone to suddenly stop using money. If that happened, who would wash the dishes? Many communes have failed over this exact issue. They go on for several years with several people, usually women, making the sacrifice and doing what needs to be done. But eventually, the people who do the dishes get fed up and stop, or leave. And then the whole thing collapses. The alternative is for the leaders to have some…
Is it "usually women" who do the unglamorous jobs that no one else wants to do? This doesn't really seem true, but maybe you have a source that shows it?
From what I’ve seen, men get stuck with the jobs women don’t want to do. Just look at our current society. Who are the miners, the garbage workers, the delivery people?
You’ll notice there’s a push to get women into comfy office jobs like programmer and not strenuous jobs like oil rig worker.
Someone can reply to me and cherry pick to show counter examples but for the most part it’s men doing these jobs.
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#74I’m not sure living in the city off handouts, charity, and free tax payer provided facilities exactly promotes his no money philosophy. His life relies on the things he despises, if the economic collapse he predicts comes he will be among the first to starve to death.
Go into the wild and grow/hunt food or trade some skill - the post money society doesn’t need philosopher poets scavenging cigarettes from trash cans
Re: A Victoria man has gone two decades without money
#75He wants everyone to suddenly stop using money. If that happened, who would wash the dishes? Many communes have failed over this exact issue. They go on for several years with several people, usually women, making the sacrifice and doing what needs to be done. But eventually, the people who do the dishes get fed up and stop, or leave. And then the whole thing collapses. The alternative is for the leaders to have some…
> Who would wash the dishes?
Presumably the person who dirtied them. So they can use clean dishes and not get sick from mold growing from the old food?
Science has given us plenty of evidence to do as we do in a number of contexts.
Deferring to the politically empowered is an unscientific basis for economic activity.
We need not rely on the superstitions of dead men who were less educated than us.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's what everyone figured out, always. Christ was a hippie. People has preached love, casting off money and such since the dawn of time. Usually youth, who then in their 30s decide they'd rather like money.
I’m sure Christ didn’t figure it out on acid though. I was referring to that bit specifically.
He probably used shrooms, which is close enough. :P
Re: A Victoria man has gone two decades without money
#77He wants everyone to suddenly stop using money. If that happened, who would wash the dishes? Many communes have failed over this exact issue. They go on for several years with several people, usually women, making the sacrifice and doing what needs to be done. But eventually, the people who do the dishes get fed up and stop, or leave. And then the whole thing collapses. The alternative is for the leaders to have some…
Didn’t groups of people live without money just fine for most of human existence? We worked together. Money only entered the equation when the groups we lived and interacted with started getting too big and impersonal. Generosity is easier when you know the people benefiting from your work. Greed and freeloading are easier when you don’t.
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#78This only works if not everyone in society does it.
It’s easy for a lone person to ride on the backs of others, who are actually, you know, working for money, but if tomorrow we got rid of money society would collapse.
With the way NYC is, I could quit my job tomorrow and mooch off others (SO many do).
I’d be uncomfortable, but I’d live. If everyone did this there wouldn’t be a NYC anymore.
Re: A Victoria man has gone two decades without money
#79He wants everyone to suddenly stop using money. If that happened, who would wash the dishes? Many communes have failed over this exact issue. They go on for several years with several people, usually women, making the sacrifice and doing what needs to be done. But eventually, the people who do the dishes get fed up and stop, or leave. And then the whole thing collapses. The alternative is for the leaders to have some…
> They go on for several years with several people, usually women, making the sacrifice and doing what needs to be done. While I agree with most of what's said above, the proposition about "usually women, making the sacrifice" is dubious at best, if not untrue. In any society or commune few will lead - the rest will be workers or followers. These will be both men and women, and they will both suffer from necessary sa…
Especially given that men have taken on tasks far more dangerous and difficult than doing the dishes and have always died sooner.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-men-often-die-earlie...
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#80Sounds like a modern day Diogenes.
Money is the most basic social contract everyone agrees with. The problem of money today is that it overrides politics, so it shifts problems from one place to another side of the planet. Tax evasion or dodging, social darwinism and social inequality, money laundering, etc, money have always posed great problems...
People will call money a great and indispensable evolution of human civilization, while arguing that socialism leads directly to gulags and famine (which is the worst strawman argument of people who will defend market essentialism).
Money is a tool, but honestly, it's not very good at what it does. Governments and institutions already achieve most of what human needs, by allocating resources through political decisions and law. Banks are always privatized for some weird reasons and never do anything right and never improve the interest of the public.
Doomists will say "we don't want to be hunters and gatherers again", yet cannot prove that capitalism allowed the apparition of science, technology and industry.