Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about
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Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about
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Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about
#2Not just clubhouse. I get the impression that a few of the major apps are dying. FB - nobody really seems to be posting anymore. Insta - two people actively posting on my feed (I think, hard to tell under all the ads pretending to be posts).
Twitter and tiktok appear to be holding their own though. Seen more "delete twitter" sentiment lately though
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#3I enjoyed the Clubhouse for a week. There were very dense and valuable conversations in certain segments.
However, it quickly became the case for changing the saying “marketers ruin everything” to “marketers ruin everything really really fast”
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#4Not just clubhouse. I get the impression that a few of the major apps are dying. FB - nobody really seems to be posting anymore. Insta - two people actively posting on my feed (I think, hard to tell under all the ads pretending to be posts). Twitter and tiktok appear to be holding their own though. Seen more "delete twitter" sentiment lately though
Twitter is a cesspool with islands of high value. The cesspool is tolerable because you don't have to swim in it once you've found some decent islands.
I'm guessing the others are similar, but I don't use them much.
The problem appears to be that most social networks get to a stage where they've saturated their potential markets enough that their only way to grow is to find ways of growing engagement, and one major way of doing that is to try to get people to interact more with each other.
Unfortunately that often trigger actions that are completely counter-productive, in e.g. trying to push content people don't want across the islands, and in doing so reducing the value of the platform to users. You may get short term boosts in engagement but long term rot as people are less happy. E.g. see the frequent complaints about Twitters algorithm and how they try to avoid you sorting content chronologically.
[incidentally I have a code base I used to do very basic bayesian filtering and ranking of tweets, as part of a bot; it worked very well at surfacing better content, so sorting the good stuff from Twitter is possible. But I got other things to do and also had concerns about investing more time in anything that relied on the good will of Twitter to keep working...]
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#5Clubhouse is a strange case of hype app which deliveries basically nothing. I got a invite and I have been testing it for a while, but for me the main problems with clubhouse are:
- lack of a better algorithm on club tab
- lack of interaction: it has not chat for listeners.
- too much marketing as the article well said
- boring people
- not inclusive. How does deaf people can use it?
Clubhouse could have better features and a better social interaction mechanism but it fails on that.
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#6the hype machine worked well though. In fact the hype is their biggest asset. Nice. Do mighty app next
Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about
#7Not just clubhouse. I get the impression that a few of the major apps are dying. FB - nobody really seems to be posting anymore. Insta - two people actively posting on my feed (I think, hard to tell under all the ads pretending to be posts). Twitter and tiktok appear to be holding their own though. Seen more "delete twitter" sentiment lately though
Twitter is a cesspool with islands of high value. The cesspool is tolerable because you don't have to swim in it once you've found some decent islands. I'm guessing the others are similar, but I don't use them much. The problem appears to be that most social networks get to a stage where they've saturated their potential markets enough that their only way to grow is to find ways of growing engagement, and one major w…
Your first sentence also perfectly describes Reddit.
Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about
#8> I am asking you, dear reader, do you know a single soul who has spent more than a few minutes on Clubhouse in the last 3 months? If you do, do they spend regular time on the app?
Yes. It is only A16Z and the other investors, still pumping the dying hype and spamming the notifications on Clubhouse.
Everyone else seemed to have moved on. This thing is not worth $4B as I have already said many times before. [0] [1] [2] [3]
To Downvoters: So I'm assuming someone is now able to provide a justification as to why Clubhouse is worth more than $1B (now it is $4B), when I asked 6 months ago? [0]
You are more than welcome to change my mind. Discuss.
[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25883362
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26861613
Re: Clubhouse is the big stinker that nobody wants to talk about
#9I joined CH in January, and I initially felt the same sense of excitement I felt when I first joined Twitter in early 2008 and started connecting with new, likeminded people.
But that excitement died off within about two weeks, once I realised how little really interesting discussion there was. There were some highlights, and I still dip in now and again when a compelling name pops up, but it's mostly pretty uninspiring.
I was listening to the Good Time Show last week with CH co-founder Paul Davison talking about opening up to all comers, and I heard him make the claim that Clubhouse has bigger potential than text-based social platforms, because talking has less friction than writing, therefore more people will use a talk-based app. I've heard others make this claim before, and it's always struck me as a deeply flawed thesis.
Sure, most people are comfortable spending plenty of time chatting with one person or a small group of trusted people, but far fewer people are comfortable talking in a large group of strangers.
The confidence threshold is much much lower for text and photo-based platforms, as you have time to craft your content and you can always (where supported) edit or just delete post if you have second thoughts.
But public talk-based platforms trigger all the same fear-reactions that live public speaking triggers, so far fewer people are comfortable doing it, and hence we get exactly what we see – a platform dominated by a relatively small number of outlier extraverts/confident speakers.
I keep thinking: Andreessen Horowitz aren't stupid investors, they must have thought of this and must be working with the founders to develop ways to keep growing user numbers and engagement. But I'm yet to see any signs this is the case, and more and more it feels like everyone has bought into this flawed thesis, and that we're witnessing a giant naked emperor scenario.
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#10The thing that you notice almost immediately is that the vast majority of people suck at the medium of Clubhouse. It’s like scrolling through an endless list of the worst podcasts in the world.