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Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by WorldMaker »

wink wrote: post #104
yellow_postit wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also only works if the taskbar is on the bottom of the screen. I wanted to try it out and it took a long time to realize it wasn’t showing up because I use Windows with a taskbar on the top of screen.

Hehe, same. I thought I had the wrong version of Win10 and that's why I was lucky to not get it. Actually the whole Win10 version thing is a disaster, with the old SP names you could at least easily check, but iirc the 20H1 is not in the version string and upgrading is either completely transparent or completely opaque...

In the "About This System" page in Settings (System > About in the Settings hierarchy or it took over the Win+X > System shortcut from the old System Control Panel) under "Windows Specifications" header the Version field there has always exactly matched the "Feature Update Release Version" including things like "20H1". Getting that from an API is intentionally not straightforward (you have to convince Windows you know about the version you are asking about), but its pretty readable there in the Settings panel if you need it as a human.

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by WorldMaker »

deelowe wrote: post #156
vxNsr wrote: post #91

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It added a lot more stability over win8 and removed a bunch of terrible UX. Additionally it added to a lot of the great ideas of windows 7. I can’t recall any off the top of my head, but I remember trying to do things in 7 and being surprised they weren’t possible. I agree that win8 set a low bar, but so did vista, fact is 7 was much better and 10 follows that same progression.

Still tries to force cortana on me despite my computer not even having a mic. It places ads in the start menu. Heck, the start menu is basically completely useless. I've resorted to relying exclusively on search now, which means my start menu is a mess and if I can't remember the name of the app, I have to resort to using file explorer to attempt to locate it. I still can't for the life of me figure out how to change…

> Still tries to force cortana on me despite my computer not even having a mic.

For what it is worth, Cortana has been basically entirely turned off in either 20H1 or 20H2 on new installs.

> It places ads in the start menu.

It's less annoying about that if you pay the $99 for the upgrade from Home to Pro.

> Case in point. Click start, settings, and look at the window that pops up. Where are the settings to add a new wifi AP?

Settings > Network & Internet > Wi-Fi > Show all available networks

Though that just opens the window for you that you'd get if you clicked the Network Indicator button directly on the Taskbar which is the fastest/direct path. (It wouldn't have occurred to me to try to path to it from the Settings app, though it is interesting that you can.)

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by johnday »

mkl wrote: post #149
johnday wrote: post #140

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The person you're responding to has changed the defaults. For what it's worth, Windows 11 supports none of these things, which is incredibly frustrating. I have the icons set small, which is good because the taskbar is smaller - but you cannot have two rows, nor can you have titlebar text available on the buttons "long-form style" as was an option in Windows 10. Additionally, there is no way to ungroup items like Win…

> The person you're responding to has changed the defaults. Hm. Are you sure? Their description of the different behaviour of the top and bottom rows doesn't sound possible, so I assumed their taskbar was a third party one or used third party extension that adds features. The Windows 11 Taskbar sounds pretty bad from your description.

> The Windows 11 Taskbar sounds pretty bad from your description.

Alas, it is.

There's a short thread on Twitter about it here: https://twitter.com/dixonary_/status/1409852434609020933?s=2...

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by deelowe »

WorldMaker wrote: post #172
deelowe wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still tries to force cortana on me despite my computer not even having a mic. It places ads in the start menu. Heck, the start menu is basically completely useless. I've resorted to relying exclusively on search now, which means my start menu is a mess and if I can't remember the name of the app, I have to resort to using file explorer to attempt to locate it. I still can't for the life of me figure out how to change…

> Still tries to force cortana on me despite my computer not even having a mic. For what it is worth, Cortana has been basically entirely turned off in either 20H1 or 20H2 on new installs. > It places ads in the start menu. It's less annoying about that if you pay the $99 for the upgrade from Home to Pro. > Case in point. Click start, settings, and look at the window that pops up. Where are the settings to add a new…

> It's less annoying about that if you pay the $99 for the upgrade from Home to Pro.

I'm on pro. Have been since the start. It still shoves bing results and app suggestions and all sorts of other stuff into the start menu by default. I've long since turned all that stuff off, so maybe it's improved...

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by ConceptJunkie »

aneutron wrote: post #41

This was genuinely one of the more intuitive parts of the task bar. Although I'm aware that you can pin applications to the task bar by right clicking. I surely hope they give alternative ways to pin stuff. But in the article, here's what's pissing me off: > In Windows 11, the taskbar lost some other quite popular features users enjoyed in Windows 10. For example, you can no longer move the taskbar to the top, right,…

I used to keep it on the left years ago, but I stopped doing that a long time ago. But typical Microsoft... everything becomes less flexible over time. The UI in Windows 2000 was light-years better than anything they've had in the last 10 years.

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by ConceptJunkie »

voisin wrote: post #71
hbn wrote: post #9

> In Windows 11, the taskbar lost some other quite popular features users enjoyed in Windows 10. For example, you can no longer move the taskbar to the top, right, or left. I have a feeling this is gonna be the big issue for some people. I personally just leave it at the bottom, but there's something to be said that when you have a standard 16:9 monitor, it doesn't make sense to remove that space from the vertical ax…

I wonder why they removed the feature. Microsoft isn’t exactly known for cutting features to achieve a minimalist interface.

Yes they are. So much of the flexibility of the desktop UI disappeared with Windows 8. It's literally less customizable than Windows 2 was.

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by WorldMaker »

deelowe wrote: post #174
WorldMaker wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Still tries to force cortana on me despite my computer not even having a mic. For what it is worth, Cortana has been basically entirely turned off in either 20H1 or 20H2 on new installs. > It places ads in the start menu. It's less annoying about that if you pay the $99 for the upgrade from Home to Pro. > Case in point. Click start, settings, and look at the window that pops up. Where are the settings to add a new…

> It's less annoying about that if you pay the $99 for the upgrade from Home to Pro. I'm on pro. Have been since the start. It still shoves bing results and app suggestions and all sorts of other stuff into the start menu by default. I've long since turned all that stuff off, so maybe it's improved...

I haven't noticed anything of those sorts of suggestions on the Start Menu in a long while. Though I probably did turn things off once long ago. I also use a Microsoft Account to login to Windows and I've also heard that makes a difference sometimes in the number of "suggestions" that you see (in that it shows more for Local only accounts for some reason possibly as dumb as "has no way to remember what suggestions it has already shown to you").

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by woojoo666 »

cosmotic wrote: post #83
saurik wrote: post #64

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> Does it start a new process from the file the window's existing process is based on? This would rely on that program recognizing it's already running and sending a message the other instance to open the dropped file then exit. You make it sound like this is somehow crazy complex behavior that no one would have implemented, but this is table stakes for a Windows application as otherwise double-clicking files that ar…

It is crazy complex. Task bar items don't represent exe files, they represent windows spawned by process started from exe files. Excel has many different behaviors depending on how you open a file. In fact, you can get excel into a state where double clicking a file opens in a hidden instance of excel that you can never see. If you drag a file to a notepad window taskbar item, should it open in that window? should it…

it's not that complex. If you drag it to the notepad icon, it opens a new process. If you drag it over the icon and then over to one of the small window previews that pop up, it sends the file to that window

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by gpav »

sichtlinkair wrote: post #111
jrib wrote: post #107

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I move it to the top since most window interaction is at the top: menus, minimize, close. That way my nose travels less. The inability to move the taskbar to the top is disappointing.

> That way my nose travels less Your mouse, you mean? Otherwise you have some explaining to do :)

I didn't post the comment in question, but I'm sure they meant nose. Look at the top of the screen where a maximized window's menu bar is located. Notice where your nose is located. Next look at the bottom of the screen where the taskbar is located, and notice where your nose is located. Most likely your head moved a little and therefore your nose moved.

Next look at the top of the screen and then without moving your head, look at the taskbar. You can do it, but try it several times and it will probably start to feel a little weird. Your head is likely to want to move a bit, and holding it still takes effort.

YMMV.

Re: Microsoft confirms taskbar in Windows 11 no longer supports drag and drop

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Post by 4oo4 »

Surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but this is a huge loss for accessibility.

After I started using Linux with Gnome, I realized how much less strain I was putting on my wrists with the taskbar/launcher and window controls on the left. Since as a right-handed person, it, the angle of my wrist is at a much more comfortable angle, about 45 degrees facing inward. It's way more natural to do a side to side swiping motion with your forearm than a jerky up and down motion when the taskbar is in the default bottom position and you're switching between windows all day.

I only use Windows at work now but if they haven't added this back by the time we have to upgrade to Windows 11, it'll only be a matter of time before I start getting carpal tunnel symptoms again.

I bet there are others that have limited arm mobility that also rely on this customization that will be even more harmed by this.

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