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Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by betwixthewires »

xvilka wrote: post #68
betwixthewires wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that's not necessarily true for current existing documents that are already available. I believe they're pinned on IPFS nodes, and so are available through IPFS. So if you did clone their front end and index you should be able to continue operating the system, at least with current availability. What would be nice would be a distributed table that functions as an index specifically for these documents, that way…

Unless company behind IPFS bans it. They are a US company after all.

Protocol labs? How can they ban something on a distributed network?

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by fortuna86 »

mjburgess wrote: post #75
fortuna86 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter really isn't a social network. If you follow industry professionals and academics, it's a feed of interesting and important news tied to your direct interests.

Alas, this reads like a drug dealer distinguishing crack from cocaine.

Or it's a simple distinction between what more resembles an RSS feed for people vs. traditional social media.

But if you've made up your mind that it's all rubbish, by all means don't let me interrupt.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by fortuna86 »

prepend wrote: post #83
fortuna86 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter really isn't a social network. If you follow industry professionals and academics, it's a feed of interesting and important news tied to your direct interests.

Except for the ones who are banned for violating the “Twitter Rules.” So it’s good if you like a feed of things tied to your direct interests, that Twitter allows. I’m interested in Sci-Hub. I don’t want to use Twitter for part of my interested and the ??? for other things.

> Except for the ones who are banned for violating the “Twitter Rules.”

This reminds me of criticisms of "metoo". Yes, i'm sure someone somewhere got a raw deal. But as far as I can see the people banished deserve it, and the overall ecosystem is better for it.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by betwixthewires »

6510 wrote: post #93
betwixthewires wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would seriously consider focusing on IPFS integration and indexing using a distributed table. Most of these documents are already pinned on IPFS, focusing on bittorrent requires users to change how the files are shared, and we have all seen the rot that happens with bittorrent and trackers, try to find something from 30 years ago using bittorrent, or even 10 years ago in many cases. If you want to make these docume…

> try to find something from 30 years ago using bittorrent The clients are bad nowadays. Old utorrent could easily seed many thousands of torrents. With utorrent web I don't even know how to get the torrent files or magnets out. I hear some ppl with seedboxes run multiple clients and restart each periodically. Thats not how things are suppose to work.

That might be a problem, but the big problem is that users of the system focus on consumer content such as movies and TV shows, and so people wind up seeding newer stuff or very popular stuff and as time goes by the number of seeds for older content goes down and the content gets lost, and there's little interest in seeding stuff from the 70s or 80s. Bittorrent is a bad way to archive anything long term because it is unreliable due to user dynamics.

Can some other system fix those dynamics and become a more robust way to archive data? Maybe. Or maybe the problem is due to how people think. I like to think though that a system where downloads are not tracked by seeders would be more conducive to archiving.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by 0x_rs »

machinehermiter wrote: post #20

As someone who hasn't used social media in 5+ years, what do these social networks need to do to make you quit using them? There has to be some threshold but I just don't understand how this threshold hasn't been crossed for more people. I don't want to see Twitter legislated or controlled. The counter balance and equilibrium should be doing crazy things causes a massive loss of users so crazy things do not happen. T…

>what do these social networks need to do to make you quit using them?

They have apparently not done enough to warrant a mass exodus to greener, more privacy (and human dignity, intellectual honesty) respecting pastures. What's a few dozen PII data leaks, or misuse of the former information provided explicitly for authentication; or what's about massive poorly regulated if not ignored misinformation campaigns on such platforms, poorly automatized reporting systems but also manual trending manipulation et similia? And it may never be enough for some, otherwise it's a continuous slope of degradation that will continue unstopped until its momentum ceases by gradual abandoning of the platform, most likely in waves as every new controversy happens or becomes public.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by BoorishBears »

machinehermiter wrote: post #20

As someone who hasn't used social media in 5+ years, what do these social networks need to do to make you quit using them? There has to be some threshold but I just don't understand how this threshold hasn't been crossed for more people. I don't want to see Twitter legislated or controlled. The counter balance and equilibrium should be doing crazy things causes a massive loss of users so crazy things do not happen. T…

You are literally using social media right now.

There is nothing people who have "quit social media" like to do more than virtue signal about the dangers of social media on more niche social media platforms. It gets a little tiring.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by jimbob45 »

machinehermiter wrote: post #20

As someone who hasn't used social media in 5+ years, what do these social networks need to do to make you quit using them? There has to be some threshold but I just don't understand how this threshold hasn't been crossed for more people. I don't want to see Twitter legislated or controlled. The counter balance and equilibrium should be doing crazy things causes a massive loss of users so crazy things do not happen. T…

AFAICT, no one really uses Twitter anymore, certainly not for actual interaction outside of influencers and streamers.

Instead, it’s become an easy billboard for companies to post their news. The alternative, of course, would be to make their own websites and post news there. However, it’s far simpler for users to search a company on Twitter than to guess around for their website URL on Google (god forbid you have multiple sites).

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by BoorishBears »

prepend wrote: post #83
fortuna86 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter really isn't a social network. If you follow industry professionals and academics, it's a feed of interesting and important news tied to your direct interests.

Except for the ones who are banned for violating the “Twitter Rules.” So it’s good if you like a feed of things tied to your direct interests, that Twitter allows. I’m interested in Sci-Hub. I don’t want to use Twitter for part of my interested and the ??? for other things.

Can't be banned from HN right?

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by reader_mode »

mmaunder wrote: post #88
machinehermiter wrote: post #20

As someone who hasn't used social media in 5+ years, what do these social networks need to do to make you quit using them? There has to be some threshold but I just don't understand how this threshold hasn't been crossed for more people. I don't want to see Twitter legislated or controlled. The counter balance and equilibrium should be doing crazy things causes a massive loss of users so crazy things do not happen. T…

I have been off Facebook for years. I was forced to rejoin because our head of marketing departed and I had to take over our company page. OH MY F*** GOD. I could not believe the mess of user engagement triggers and dark patterns that confronted me. (I'm an ops guy, a dev and a successful entrepreneur, currently a high growth CEO) I was literally nauseated. I've actually postponed the job just to avoid the damn thing…

If Facebook is cigarettes is HN alcohol ? Half joking, I often read about social media "detox" here on HN but at the same time HN is something like a social media platform that sucks more of my time than Facebook or Twitter. The only other platform I spend more time on is YouTube. I guess it's more to do with your tendencies than platform needing dark patterns.

Re: Sci-Hub Twitter account suspended

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Post by quink »

sterlind wrote: post #98
varelse wrote: post #39

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My cheat code for research publications is to go to a University library on weekends, one of the universities that will actually let you in if you're not a student or staff, and download all the publications I want or need onto a USB stick. But none of the stuff should be behind paywalls in the first place if it was funded by the government of any nation. Good luck fixing that.

if I had fewer scruples I'd infect one of the library computers and use it as a VPN from home. or maybe tuck an rPi behind a bookshelf and have it connect/bounce through WiFi. the easiest legal way would probably be for me to enroll somewhere and take some classes I'm already interested in.

Straight from Wikipedia:

> In 2011, Swartz was arrested by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) police on state breaking-and-entering charges, after connecting a computer to the MIT network in an unmarked and unlocked closet, and setting it to download academic journal articles systematically from JSTOR using a guest user account issued to him by MIT. Federal prosecutors, led by Carmen Ortiz, later charged him with two counts of wire fraud and eleven violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines, 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution, and supervised release. Swartz declined a plea bargain under which he would have served six months in federal prison. Two days after the prosecution rejected a counter-offer by Swartz, he was found dead in his Brooklyn apartment, where he committed suicide. In 2013, Swartz was inducted posthumously into the Internet Hall of Fame.

It is impossible to talk about this without getting emotional, especially on a site like Hacker News, so I won't.

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