Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’ • Hacker News Board

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by cratermoon » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 6:27 AM UTC

selfhoster11 wrote: post #99

cratermoon wrote: post #31

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And now they'll take all the ideas from the previous efforts, pick the ones that will make them the most profit (revenue - development costs) and tada a new propriety, privately controlled ecosystem that slowly replaces whatever is out there. See, for example, Open Graph replacing Dublin Core.

How is Open Graph replacing Dublin Core? I'm not familiar with the space.

They're both specifications for adding structured metadata to the web. https://w3techs.com/technologies/comparison/da-dublincore,da...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 6:49 AM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #284

Animats wrote: post #175

Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice. First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop. Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or p…

> Plus there's a panic button which puts you in a "personal safe zone", where you're in a bubble until Security gets there to rescue you from whomever is annoying you. While it's still running, Facebook doesn't mention Horizon any more. > [2] https://youtu.be/Uf_9J_EdzZw That video is kind of amazing. It's all people of color, until one white guy shows up and immediately gets blocked. Also, all their safety team can…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 6:49 AM UTC

tablespoon wrote: post #284

Animats wrote: post #175

Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice. First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop. Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or p…

> Plus there's a panic button which puts you in a "personal safe zone", where you're in a bubble until Security gets there to rescue you from whomever is annoying you. While it's still running, Facebook doesn't mention Horizon any more. > [2] https://youtu.be/Uf_9J_EdzZw That video is kind of amazing. It's all people of color, until one white guy shows up and immediately gets blocked. Also, all their safety team can…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by kar5pt » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 7:00 AM UTC

after_care wrote: post #229

grawprog wrote: post #206

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>the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general >Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be able to become a long-term market leader in these areas I think the reason for the negativity is possibly because maybe a company that's managed to create a massive platform where reality is massively distorted and manipulated algorithmically to maximize ad revenue and engangement, whatever…

It’s simple natural selection that the most engaging social media platforms became the most profitable, influential, and popular. There’s no guarantee that VR/AR will have the same selection pressure, and if the tech does have the same selection pressure than whoever wins will be engaging as well. IMO Facebook creating the metaverse is like Xerox creating the GUI. Most likely the things that made Facebook successfull…

If by "natural selection", you mean "naturalized capitalism" then yes.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by fastball » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 7:12 AM UTC

encryptluks2 wrote: post #364

tomashertus wrote: post #320

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That's amazing, first think which came to my mind was: > I can go to any time--in the past. I don't want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we're gonna pay hard for this shit, you got to know that. We're not going to just fall from number one to two. They're gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it. But for now, wheeeeeeee! Source: https://genius.…

That's messed up and racist in itself. A lot of the white racism is fueled by whites themselves. No one deserves to be raped, and to make such a despicable joke shows what kind of despicable person Louis CK is... which was pretty apparent when he was called out for wanking it in front of random people.

"Wanking in front of random people" makes it sound much more sex pest than it seemingly was – they were people who he invited back to his hotel room, who willingly went, and then once in the hotel room he asked if he could wank in front of them and reportedly they just kinda... giggled. So he did.

Not my cup of tea, but let's be real: there are a finite number of things people do when invited back to hotel rooms. The idea that this is shocking or even surprising behavior is fairly divorced from reality.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by mkl » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 7:27 AM UTC

astlouis44 wrote: post #369

mkl wrote: post #341

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I gave it a try in a web browser. To be honest it barely seemed to work, had a frame rate of about 1fps in very simple scenes, and there didn't seem to be anything actually there, just a few empty low-poly rooms. I didn't see any sign of social or metaverse features. The mouse controls are backwards, and that combined with massive lag means looking around is pretty difficult. If you're serious about making such a pro…

Thanks for the feedback! What device did you try on? Love the blunt and honest feedback. The platform comes alive in VR btw, but understand if you don’t have a headset. You can start building using the editor tool and share your room with others to view it in a social manner. If there’s any features you’d think would make this more like a proper metaverse, please let me know.

I tried it on a desktop PC, Chrome on Linux, Nvidia GPU several years old (seems to work well for most WebGL things though). I think what's missing from the current presentation is the "why". Why would I build something with it, and why would other people want to join in? I'm not saying there aren't good reasons, but the empty home page doesn't provide any, and nor did a few minutes playing around.

I think interoperability is what would really make a metaverse experience, so I'm pretty doubtful any single company could do it, even with Facebook's resources. I think the web itself is the closest thing to a metaverse we have, but it's still far away in terms of actual experience. I think that it's become universal because of the interoperability and common standards that mean it doesn't matter what software or hardware is used to create, interact with, or consume content, so it's a level playing field without one organisation controlling it, and so people are free to go nuts making stuff, without threat of losing it or losing access.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by dustymcp » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 8:00 AM UTC

encryptluks2 wrote: post #364

tomashertus wrote: post #320

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That's amazing, first think which came to my mind was: > I can go to any time--in the past. I don't want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we're gonna pay hard for this shit, you got to know that. We're not going to just fall from number one to two. They're gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it. But for now, wheeeeeeee! Source: https://genius.…

That's messed up and racist in itself. A lot of the white racism is fueled by whites themselves. No one deserves to be raped, and to make such a despicable joke shows what kind of despicable person Louis CK is... which was pretty apparent when he was called out for wanking it in front of random people.

wow relax

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by shafyy » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 8:07 AM UTC

andybak wrote: post #316

pteraspidomorph wrote: post #301

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> Avatars have no legs; nothing below the waistline This is the biggest mistake a lot of VR developers made and are still making. People want to look cool in VR. They don't want to look like flying blobs (unless that's their actual chosen aesthetic). This affects their platform and purchase choices to a degree that many don't seem to fully comprehend.

My feeling is that no IK is better than bad IK. I'd rather be a groovy head and hands than a creepy full body.

Exactly. This is called the Uncanny Valley.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by encryptluks2 » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 10:26 AM UTC

dustymcp wrote: post #377

encryptluks2 wrote: post #364

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That's messed up and racist in itself. A lot of the white racism is fueled by whites themselves. No one deserves to be raped, and to make such a despicable joke shows what kind of despicable person Louis CK is... which was pretty apparent when he was called out for wanking it in front of random people.

wow relax

No, why would I relax when someone is indicating that white people deserve to get raped.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by matheusmoreira » Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 1:54 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #186

michaelmrose wrote: post #171

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Basically Israel is the real life embodiment of Seinfeld's uncle Leo who says anything and everything is antisemitism except it's also terrorism. These labels have existing very negative meanings that they would both like to court with their own behavior and accuse others of thoughtlessly. I feel like that singular statement is like watching an entire country jump the shark and that we ought to stop taking their phon…

Anti BDS laws in US states are so baffling to me. The idea that American citizens could be criminalized for choosing not to do business or invest in a foreign power would be laughable if so many current politicians weren't supporting it.

> The spread of anti-BDS laws in U.S. states is largely due to the lobbying of the Israel Allies Foundation (IAF), an umbrella group of Israel lobbies headquartered in Jerusalem that has received funding from the Israeli government.

And people complain about russian interference...