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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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If you guys could just happen to make laptops that are relatively easy to put hackintosh onto, that would be awesome

I think the ball is in Apple's court, since it looks like macOS currently doesn't support hardware acceleration for Intel's new Xe Graphics.

Fingers crossed that Apple still releases Intel MacBooks this year with their 11th generation chips.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#732

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Performance difference between system RAM and VRAM is an order of magnitude. Specifically, DDR4-3200 peaks at 25.6 GB/second per channel, modern high-end GPUs peak at 500-900 GB/second depending on the GPU model. VRAM consumes substantial power to deliver that performance. On many GPUs, VRAM chips are actively cooled. System RAM doesn’t even need passive heatsinks, uses too little electricity to care.

GPUs do use fairly fine-grained dynamic frequency scaling on their memory chips for precisely this reason: having a top-end GPU run at around 15-20 W under light loads simply wouldn't be possible otherwise.

Yeah, but at the time my card only went down half-way, to 1200 MHz IIRC, while I made it go down to 800 Mhz in desktop mode. In gaming it was closer to 3 GHz. This was before my NVIDIA GTX 970, some AMD model.

Just really blew my mind how much heat the VRAM contributed.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#733
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Past related threads: Framework Laptop – How ALL laptops should be made - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27925405 - July 2021 (5 comments) Framework Laptop – pre-orders are now open - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143545 - May 2021 (16 comments) Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27143076 - May 2021 (203 comments) Preparing for Pre-Orders! (Fra…

I'd say that (https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=frame.work) covers it. :)

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#734

the keyboard looks very fragile, like that of a macbook. For me these tend to develop problems after a years use. I am not very fond of this type of keyboards. The old thinkpads used to have a solid keyboard, but that was once upon a time.

wow, here they tell you how to swap the new style lenovo keyboard for the solid old one. That's what i call a mod. https://www.instructables.com/ThinkPad-T430T430sX230-Classic...

Unfortunately one also needs to swap the firmware for the top row of the keyboard to function. I wouln't dare to do all this, out of fear of thrashing the laptop.

I suspect that these new fangled butterfly and chicklet style keyboards were especially designed as means to extract more money on inevitable keyboard repairs. (and don't dare to eat any potato chips in front of the keyboard).

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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No, it very well could become a popular product. Repairability won’t be enough to get it there. But whatever company culture forms around this repairability thing could lead them to design a killer feature that Apple and Microsoft would never think of. And repairability might be a moat for some feature like that. It’s not inevitable, most new electronics companies don’t hit it big. But don’t write them off before the…

I definitely support their mission and hope to see them do well. And you might be right that they form a culture or feature that proves to be game changing. However, on the surface, I don't believe modularity is something that the average consumer cares about enough to have this become mainstream just on that basis alone.

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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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post #716

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What about the cover with the keyboard and trackpad?I know you've said it's expensive to make tooling for, but perhaps a 3rd party could offer an alternate version with a trackpoint or something?

If any company is interested, it's certainly a conversation we'd like to have.

Have you considered going down the route of MIL-spec and turning this into a Defense-friendly product? Would imagine the armed forces would prefer to repair than to replace their hardware and the ability to upgrade down the line is basically how all of Defense contracting works

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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This reminds me of the day I dropped my new HTC One M8 into water. I grabbed it out within a second. The screen was still on and seemed functional, but rather quickly it started behaving erratically. The little motor that handles vibrate was constantly running. The device was getting hot. I couldn't power it off. The battery couldn't be removed. In fact, the entire case was sealed shut so I couldn't even expose the i…

I think Fairphone goes too far towards maintainability at the expense of other aspects. I don’t get a lot more value in being able to replace the camera in 10s compared to 20 minutes.

It was nice to be able to upgrade the camera years after purchasing the phone though.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

#740

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Yeah sure, but that will make your phone significantly bulkier

The Galaxy S5 is waterproof, has a rubber gasket over the charging port and a removable battery but not "significantly bulkier" compared to all of the current crop of mid-range/flagship phones - it's actually lighter than the glass-backed ones

Because it has just one interface, GP was taking about waterproof and modular.
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