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Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by mkl »

astlouis44 wrote: post #318
Animats wrote: post #175

Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice. First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop. Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or p…

Check out vrland! It's a social 3D/VR metaverse platform on the web. Decentralized and works everywhere including VR headsets via WebXR. Link to the platform: https://vrland.io/lobby Link to our Discord: https://discord.gg/cNfG834

I gave it a try in a web browser. To be honest it barely seemed to work, had a frame rate of about 1fps in very simple scenes, and there didn't seem to be anything actually there, just a few empty low-poly rooms. I didn't see any sign of social or metaverse features. The mouse controls are backwards, and that combined with massive lag means looking around is pretty difficult. If you're serious about making such a product, some screenshots and description of the good bits (if you're serious there must be some somewhere) on the home page would be way more effective than making people go into it and mostly just be confused and frustrated.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by dathinab »

83457 wrote: post #332
tkiolp4 wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm, I’m not American so bear with me: - the lady in blue, she looks like a white person after having sun in the beach - the guy with purple tshirt, he looks readhead, so white - the guy with white hat and black hoodie looks south American - the guy with glasses and red jacket, looks black - the ladies with white tshirt, look white - the lady with glasses and brown tshirt, looks white - the guy with grey hat and oran…

You are responding to a silly comment. With that said, I think straight black hair often implies non-european ancestry. I'd just assume main woman is Spanish, one in white is Asian. The non-black males are all pretty ambiguous (shrug)

The fact that people have to speculate this shows IMHO nicely not just that there are no clear borders between peoples "race" but that the concept of race seems pretty pointless.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by corinroyal »

chillwaves wrote: post #336
livinginfear wrote: post #335

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What an utterly vile quote. I've never seen his comedy before. After reading that, I'll make sure I never do.

Maybe you could use a safe space?

I'm sure you could and do.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by mkl »

baby wrote: post #299
Vrondi wrote: post #147

I was thinking of buying an Occulus Rift, and Facebook buying Occulus is the thing that guaranteed I'd never buy one. People said it wouldn't be a problem, and now you must log in with a Facebook account in order to use your Occulus hardware. No way.

I advise creating a dummy account and buying the oculus quest 2 instead. Worth it :)

There are quite a few reports of people's oculus-only dummy accounts being banned: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=oculus+facebook+banned+dummy+accou...

It's pretty expensive for something you could be thrown out of at any moment, and it's a lot of money to give to Facebook.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by checker »

wcarss wrote: post #325
Animats wrote: post #274

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VR/AR is such a new paradigm for interacting with computers. Not really. I tried Jaron Lainer's original VR rig back in the 1980s. The Autodesk system from the 1980s. The W Industries system ... the HTC Vibe. The Microsoft HoloLens. There's been progress, but usability really hasn't improved all that much. You can shoot at people. That works fine. You can sort of use swords. Everything else, not so much. That's why B…

I think the biggest selection problem is the Minority Report UI problem: hanging hands are not precise tools, nor are they comfortable to hold up for > ~a minute. In particular, it is very hard to do even one pixel-perfect point+grab+release in 3D space, let alone do it over and over -- in large part because you can't easily lock a dimension or the position and rest your hand. Touch-screens are hard to get precise-cl…

As far as control interface goes, it seems almost inevitable that we'll eventually have a breakthrough/refinement for some sort of mental control without physical movement (similar to how some amputees control their advanced prosthetics). It would be a game changer for VR.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by indymike »

grawprog wrote: post #206
ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

>the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general >Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be able to become a long-term market leader in these areas I think the reason for the negativity is possibly because maybe a company that's managed to create a massive platform where reality is massively distorted and manipulated algorithmically to maximize ad revenue and engangement, whatever…

> maybe a company that's managed to create a massive platform where reality is massively distorted

This might explain their fixation with VR.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by [deleted] »

livinginfear wrote: post #335
tomashertus wrote: post #320

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That's amazing, first think which came to my mind was: > I can go to any time--in the past. I don't want to go to the future and find out what happens to white people because we're gonna pay hard for this shit, you got to know that. We're not going to just fall from number one to two. They're gonna hold us down and fuck us in the ass forever. And we totally deserve it. But for now, wheeeeeeee! Source: https://genius.…

What an utterly vile quote. I've never seen his comedy before. After reading that, I'll make sure I never do.

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by tablespoon »

dathinab wrote: post #342
83457 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are responding to a silly comment. With that said, I think straight black hair often implies non-european ancestry. I'd just assume main woman is Spanish, one in white is Asian. The non-black males are all pretty ambiguous (shrug)

The fact that people have to speculate this shows IMHO nicely not just that there are no clear borders between peoples "race" but that the concept of race seems pretty pointless.

> The fact that people have to speculate this shows IMHO nicely not just that there are no clear borders between peoples "race" but that the concept of race seems pretty pointless.

We are talking about cartoons, so we're really talking about symbols and coding. You're taking too much of a leap by inferring that much about the underlying concept from the use of symbols. You might have a point, but you need different support.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by dreamcompiler »

Animats wrote: post #274
giobox wrote: post #187

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VR/AR is such a new paradigm for interacting with computers I think that its inevitable companies will make many failures before finding the apps and hardware that clicks with customers. In 2017, we had only had mainstream non-beta VR headset hardware in the marketplace since 2016 (original consumer Rift, HTC Vive), lets not forget the 20 years of PDA hardware/software attempts we lived through before the mainstream…

VR/AR is such a new paradigm for interacting with computers. Not really. I tried Jaron Lainer's original VR rig back in the 1980s. The Autodesk system from the 1980s. The W Industries system ... the HTC Vibe. The Microsoft HoloLens. There's been progress, but usability really hasn't improved all that much. You can shoot at people. That works fine. You can sort of use swords. Everything else, not so much. That's why B…

I'm still waiting for a coder's VR IDE, but the pixel resolution isn't there yet. I want to be surrounded by my code and use gestures to run it, simulate it, explore it, debug it. I want to be able to "feel" a keyboard under my fingers and see them typing on it. I want spatial audio cues so I can hear my chokepoint inner loops grinding. I want a live gource-like [0] tree that lets me fly through my repo history.

I want 3D emacs.

[0] https://gource.io/

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by whall6 »

Animats wrote: post #175

Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice. First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop. Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or p…

It’s easy to say that because they’ve failed twice they’ll fail again. But I could just as easily see that in a few years the success of the meta verse was due to these failures.
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