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Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by andybak »

Animats wrote: post #274
giobox wrote: post #187

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VR/AR is such a new paradigm for interacting with computers I think that its inevitable companies will make many failures before finding the apps and hardware that clicks with customers. In 2017, we had only had mainstream non-beta VR headset hardware in the marketplace since 2016 (original consumer Rift, HTC Vive), lets not forget the 20 years of PDA hardware/software attempts we lived through before the mainstream…

VR/AR is such a new paradigm for interacting with computers. Not really. I tried Jaron Lainer's original VR rig back in the 1980s. The Autodesk system from the 1980s. The W Industries system ... the HTC Vibe. The Microsoft HoloLens. There's been progress, but usability really hasn't improved all that much. You can shoot at people. That works fine. You can sort of use swords. Everything else, not so much. That's why B…

3d selection in VR is better. Just give it a hundredth of the investment we've given desktop UI

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Post by grishka »

tablespoon wrote: post #293
Adrig wrote: post #262

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Meh, I'll use the Mozilla VR OS with uBlock 2040 on it

> Meh, I'll use the Mozilla VR OS with uBlock 2040 on it Adblockers may not work so well in the future, when everything's a binary blob of Web Assembly.

Android apps are binary blobs of dalvik bytecode, yet simply blocking a bunch of domains at the DNS level is surprisingly effective to get rid of most ads.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by lindseymysse »

tablespoon wrote: post #293
Adrig wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, I'll use the Mozilla VR OS with uBlock 2040 on it

> Meh, I'll use the Mozilla VR OS with uBlock 2040 on it Adblockers may not work so well in the future, when everything's a binary blob of Web Assembly.

Hopefully we can get enough people into decentralized, ad-free social media ecosystems before this is a problem.

But, really, the problem is the vulture capitalists who can't conceive of building anything, only exploiting everything.

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Post by wcarss »

Animats wrote: post #274
giobox wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VR/AR is such a new paradigm for interacting with computers I think that its inevitable companies will make many failures before finding the apps and hardware that clicks with customers. In 2017, we had only had mainstream non-beta VR headset hardware in the marketplace since 2016 (original consumer Rift, HTC Vive), lets not forget the 20 years of PDA hardware/software attempts we lived through before the mainstream…

VR/AR is such a new paradigm for interacting with computers. Not really. I tried Jaron Lainer's original VR rig back in the 1980s. The Autodesk system from the 1980s. The W Industries system ... the HTC Vibe. The Microsoft HoloLens. There's been progress, but usability really hasn't improved all that much. You can shoot at people. That works fine. You can sort of use swords. Everything else, not so much. That's why B…

I think the biggest selection problem is the Minority Report UI problem: hanging hands are not precise tools, nor are they comfortable to hold up for > ~a minute. In particular, it is very hard to do even one pixel-perfect point+grab+release in 3D space, let alone do it over and over -- in large part because you can't easily lock a dimension or the position and rest your hand. Touch-screens are hard to get precise-clicks on for a similar reason: with a mouse I can line it up and hit fire, with touch I'm firing until I let go.

If someone gets the right metaphor going there, I think it could work great, but the naive solution of 1:N direct scaling the position of your hand to a co-ordinate in space isn't it. I imagine it'll be something like direct correlation to get 'in the neighbourhood' and then an easy modal toggle to a 'precision' mode, where you move something in small increments along just 1 or 2 dimensions, using a comfortable binary gesture.

Or maybe AI will get really good at guessing what alignment the user wants.

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Post by istorical »

cwkoss wrote: post #57
Choc13 wrote: post #4

>> “A good vision for the metaverse is not one that a specific company builds, but it has to have the sense of interoperability and portability”, Mr Zuckerberg said, adding that there should be protocols like the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) internet standards for defining how experiences will be built. Except defined by Facebook, so not really anything like W3C.

Are there any facebook products that have "the sense of interoperability and portability"? Seems like most of their properties strive for the opposite...

Both Twitter and Facebook had much more open and developer friendly APIs in their early growth stages, which they slowly reduced as their reliance on 3rd parties diminished, as they in-housed features and killed off third party integrations, and in FB's case, after they got fucked by their permissive APIs and open standards in the Cambridge Analytica debacle.

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Post by grishka »

criddell wrote: post #265
grishka wrote: post #249

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Not if it's a new account.

New account? That's so 2020. Your account will be the one issued to you at birth that happens to have your SSN as your username.

And of course they'll permanently ban it, without any appeal process, if you ever dare to mention the fact that sex exists, right?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by sudosysgen »

grishka wrote: post #323
tablespoon wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Meh, I'll use the Mozilla VR OS with uBlock 2040 on it Adblockers may not work so well in the future, when everything's a binary blob of Web Assembly.

Android apps are binary blobs of dalvik bytecode, yet simply blocking a bunch of domains at the DNS level is surprisingly effective to get rid of most ads.

Also, tools like lucky patcher can do bytecode analysis and patch out ads automatically.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by lovemenot »

astlouis44 wrote: post #305
baby wrote: post #281

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That’s my worry as well, that they’re not capable of capturing the market due to being a software company. But… they have hired like crazy and at this point I’m assuming most people working there have no link whatsoever with fb, so if they own all the experts there’s a good chance they’ll capture the market. As long as they keep iterating they’ll be fine.

Check out our social 3D/VR web metaverse platform here: https://vrland.io/lobby

That's maybe enough spamming in this thread. Thanks.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

Behold, the Facebook Metaverse: https://youtu.be/YlGklt4BSQ8

“WE WILL EFFECTIVELY TRANSITION FROM PEOPLE SEEING US AS PRIMARILY BEING A SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANY TO BEING A METAVERSE COMPANY”

But, Facebook already transitioned to being an advertising company.

The social media aspect became a funnel to direct members towards advertising, changes to Facebook are not about the social aspect, they're about eyeballs on ads and more page views, which are actually distractions away from the social network roots of Facebook.

Mark goes on about building an economy within this metaverse:

"And this is something that I hope eventually millions of people will be working in and creating content for — whether it’s experiences, or spaces, or virtual goods, or virtual clothing, or doing work helping to curate and introduce people to spaces and keep it safe. I just think this is going to be a huge economy and frankly, I think that that needs to exist. This needs to be a rising tide that lifts a lot of boats. We can’t just think about this as a product that we’re building."

I'm obviously very cynical, but this feels like Facebook's app store play: 30% please creators. In addition to the advertising dollars.

What I hope comes out of this is an advancement of the technology for building a "metaverse" and that open source alternatives can keep up, or at least nip at the heels constantly.

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