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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by metaphor »

numpad0 wrote: post #174
metaphor wrote: post #144

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Had to see for myself[1][2]. Seriously...what are you guys smoking? - topside (primary servicing end) ...and then there's: - frontside (replaceable bezel, magnetic retention) - underside (venting pattern, 6 less securing screws) - keyboard layout (escape, arrows, tilde, backslash, left ctrl, delete) - power button (location, fingerprint reader integration) - peripheral support (modular af, reconfigurable, select your…

Mainboard/logicboard is exactly the same. Left side of the logicboard in the original Acer design is connected via a flex cable, which is where modularity daughterboard goes, which means that that part is custom and probably just a USB-C. The main opening being on topside as opposed to bottom means the enclosure is custom made. So what. Overall it’s not something that we are smoking, it’s basic understanding in lapto…

I fail to see the merits of your argument based on some handwaving interpretation of "exactly the same".

Merely speculating that FFC interconnect is "probably just a USB-C" says absolutely nothing of the fact that Acer's system is neither truly modular (because it's fundamentally constrained to specific I/O interface by its own case) nor externally reconfigurable by the user. Nevermind that Framework's design appears to sensibly apply what was intended to be floating interconnect (USB-C male) to a fixed peripheral module interface on both sides, which is a huge value add from a user configuration perspective on the merits of being able to choose what side your charger port is installed on alone.

So what about the enclosure being custom made?? Oh I don't know, nevermind completely disrespecting mechanical design considerations and effort applied towards targeted maintainability which have a direct impact on internal layout, user ease-of-self-service considerations that quite frankly the rest of the consumer laptop market clearly hasn't given an ounce of attention. That Framework completely own their tooling alone tells me substantial work was done.

Without even critiquing layout, Acer didn't even so much as give its prospective customers the courtesy of a fuckin' reach-around by soldering memory directly onto its motherboard and left a substantial amount of internal volume on the table. I suspect comparing display maintainability would be a complete joke of an exercise.

Basic understanding in laptops and modern electronics...yeah, sure.

This practicing hardware EE is far from convinced.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by numpad0 »

metaphor wrote: post #721
numpad0 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mainboard/logicboard is exactly the same. Left side of the logicboard in the original Acer design is connected via a flex cable, which is where modularity daughterboard goes, which means that that part is custom and probably just a USB-C. The main opening being on topside as opposed to bottom means the enclosure is custom made. So what. Overall it’s not something that we are smoking, it’s basic understanding in lapto…

I fail to see the merits of your argument based on some handwaving interpretation of "exactly the same". Merely speculating that FFC interconnect is "probably just a USB-C" says absolutely nothing of the fact that Acer's system is neither truly modular (because it's fundamentally constrained to specific I/O interface by its own case) nor externally reconfigurable by the user. Nevermind that Framework's design appears…

How easy is it going to be to source a mechanically compatible laptop logicboard and matching LCD to today’s design, at a competitive price, 3 years later from now, if it’s just a repurposed Acer parts without long term commitments?

51nb X210 system planar exists, but it also costs $800.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by morganvachon »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #521
morganvachon wrote: post #505

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I wasn't trying to dismantle an argument, just pointing out that the parent had no clue what they were talking about, and a little research would make for a stronger position to argue from (and save some embarrassment). I actually prefer laptops with upgradeable components and I'm definitely weighing replacing my two aging Thinkpad laptops (running OpenBSD and Void Linux respectively) with the Framework Laptop. I had…

Sorry, I got the X1 carbon wrong from a list of 3 laptops off the top of my head. I must have been thinking of another Lenovo and mixed them up. What I don't understand is why you felt the need to get aggressive and diss me in 2 different posts saying I have no clue what I'm talking about or that I'm making stuff up and calling for my embarrassment, only for a small mistake, when you could have made the same argument…

I don’t feel that I was aggressive at all in my direct reply to you, maybe a little in my reply to the other commenter, but obviously you took it that way and I’m genuinely sorry. It’s not an excuse, but I just get so tired of people making arguments based on false statements of fact (whether from malice or ignorance) and it moved me to speak out when it seemed like that’s what you were doing. I see now that wasn’t your intention. You’re right, we all make mistakes and I made one too.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by eikenberry »

nrp wrote: post #112
eikenberry wrote: post #100

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+1, please consider offering this. A track point and 3 real buttons are so much nicer than a trackpad. At least to some of us. ThinkPads success seems to indicate there are a lot of us.

A touchpad with buttons is something that we have explored, and is in theory a replacement module we can create. Inserting a track point would be much more challenging from a cost and engineering feasibility standpoint. We may have underestimated the level of interest around track point...

I'd be 100% happy with 3 buttons and no touchpad. My thinkpads have had their touchpads disabled every since they added them.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by tedk-42 »

rraihansaputra wrote: post #337
nrp wrote: post #42

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Thanks! We aren't able to announce anything yet, but we have certainly designed for being able to support different CPU platforms, and for folks to switch between them by upgrading just the mainboard or the mainboard+memory.

It would be really cool if Framework would release an ARM platform based motherboard in the future.

I wouldn't rely on Framework doing this, but if the PCB dimensions were open source, I bet you would have a few companies looking to fabricate custom mainboards with ARM chips that could slot into the Framework shell :D

Hence why i originally asked about how long the motherboard design would stay with the current frame

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

octos4murai wrote: post #255
nrp wrote: post #149

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I've been using it outdoors in the California sunshine. It goes up to 400 nit. It has an anti-glare coating, but it is still a normal glossy screen (meaning no matte layer added on top).

Could you please share the exact screen measurements? I purchased one but strongly prefer matte screens so I’ll be trying to look for a matte screen protector that fits.

We haven’t tested this one, but the panel dimensions we have are the same as the 13.5” Surface Laptops: https://viascreens.com/screen-protector/microsoft/surface-la...

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ValentineC »

culopatin wrote: post #472
occoder wrote: post #308

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Yes please! I second all these requests! Full-size arrow keys: by adding another column of keys to the right side of the keyboard. That way you get dedicated Home/End/PageUp/PageDown keys as well. See [1]. Grouping function keys: also put a wider gap between Esc and F1, F12 and Delete. Mac keyboard: that'd be nice! How compatible are they to hackintosh BTW? [1] https://img.business.com/o/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYnVzaW5lc3NuZ…

Hackintosh on this thing would be the ultimate hackbook. Same display ratio (not sure if resolution is exactly the same though), pretty much same form factor, and you can upgrade the ram. While they support intel at least.

Fingers crossed that Apple releases new MacBooks with Intel's 11th generation chips, since it looks like macOS currently doesn't support hardware acceleration for Intel's new Xe Graphics.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by wly_cdgr »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #623
drstewart wrote: post #548

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The reality is that this will be a niche product that gets almost no mainstream adoption outside of a small tech bubble, like the Fairphone.

No, it very well could become a popular product. Repairability won’t be enough to get it there. But whatever company culture forms around this repairability thing could lead them to design a killer feature that Apple and Microsoft would never think of. And repairability might be a moat for some feature like that. It’s not inevitable, most new electronics companies don’t hit it big. But don’t write them off before the…

It could, but I think it will take something like that killer feature: I am a programmer, so probably more likely than most to be interested, but the modularity/repairability interests me only mildly to moderately. Not nearly enough to switch from my Surface Book, especially given that I have my nice little Raspberry Pies if I want to do some Linux stuff or play around with hardware

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by ValentineC »

peterburkimsher wrote: post #139
ant6n wrote: post #125

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The question is whether it will be possible to get a replacement battery five years from now (at a reasonable price point).

Exactly. Apple even have third-party batteries in their supply chain (installed by an AASP), the printing of the warnings on the cells and the PCB date code look very suspiciously shanzhai. Yet Apple Support were able to confirm that the order number is real and the part came from them. They charged me $600 for it too. It'd better be reliable, unlike the $100 third-party one that idles at 12V, and a voltage spike whe…

Do you live in a city without an Apple Store? MacBook battery service is $199 USD for their most expensive models: https://support.apple.com/mac/repair/service

I paid exactly $288 SGD to get my battery replaced at the Apple Store here in Singapore.

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