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A 3°C world has no safe place

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Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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Canada and northern part of the US will be fine (north of the mason dixon line). Places like Albany, NY, or Minesota, or most of Canada, appart from the occasional crazy swings, are going to be more lovely places to live, with slightly milder winters. The southern part is toast, both from water level rises, and lack of fresh water. In this country, the ones that are going to be the most affected by global warming, se…

Just wait for all migrants from places that will be becoming uninhabitable.

Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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I fear the one-two punch of disproportionate use of energy coupled with rampant world-wide inequality (in both resources and income) result in those who caused the issues having little reason to care about the result.

In a democratic country, how will a leader convince the population to care about this if the country is rich and currently is unaffected? Well, we're about to see how successful or unsuccessful they might be- so far, it's not looking great.

Furthermore - in the classic phrase: reduce, reuse and recycle. The most important of the three is reduction - how can we reduce consumption in a capitalist world that values mindless consumption and advertising to promote more mindless consumption?

How many of us work for companies that directly or indirectly promote mindless waste of resources and endless consumption?

This is not a TV show - a happy ending is not guaranteed.

Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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post #3

Canada and northern part of the US will be fine (north of the mason dixon line). Places like Albany, NY, or Minesota, or most of Canada, appart from the occasional crazy swings, are going to be more lovely places to live, with slightly milder winters. The southern part is toast, both from water level rises, and lack of fresh water. In this country, the ones that are going to be the most affected by global warming, se…

Which is irrelevant. Increasing crop failures will mean that even if you migrate to somewhere that is currently cool, there won't be enough food to feed everyone.

Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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What are they talking about? In the US this will mean more rain in many regions and longer growing seasons. A lot of plants will quickly adapt. Historically, our planet for most of its history was warmer. It’s all going to be fine, while we will need to adjust the world will continue on. Note: I’m not saying it won’t be hard, but this will be a gradual change and will actually assist some places, while others get mor…

Will they adapt to the raging wildfires that ~1.2C has already induced across much of the west coast? That's some adaptin'!

The northern US and Canada were barren mud and rock 12000 years ago. They'll adapt.

Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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Maybe it wouldn't have mattered, but I wish that the Fahrenheit increase would have been more prominently used over these years. I think that most Americans don't realize that 1°C is more than 1°F so it doesn't sound as bad when it's "only a few degrees"

Honestly both of them are small, and I think citing the degrees is just terrible messaging altogether. I think people would gladly accept & adapt to even a 5°F increase; I know I would. The problem is that doesn't capture anything about the local variation (and impacts like hurricanes, fires, etc.), and that even beyond that, we're absolutely destroying everything about our planet as we know it, and a single-degree c…

Try to sit in a bath of 36°C. You can sit there for hours. Now switch to a bath of 38°C. After a while you'll be sweaty, sluggish, tired, breath harder etc.

They have this at the St. Gellert baths in Budapest:

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Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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This article smells more like religious eschatology than rational economic discussion about the costs and benefits of climate change. This sort of sensationalist and opinionated reporting hardly advances the credibility of its cause.

"It's not what you're saying, it's how you're saying it that I have a problem with."

This doesn't change the underlying reality, and I have a strong suspicion there is no means of discussing this issue that would meet with your approval, or your recognition that this is a crisis requiring significant action.

Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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I'm sitting in my air conditioned room, in the USA. Doing computer stuff, naturally. I look at what I can do about this. I can turn up the temp in my room, and the house. Meager difference. I can use less water - I already am, with getting showers every other day on average. I can eat less meat - which I do with purchase of the beef CSA. I'm big into the repair movement, and repair household equipment and electronics…

Its like a little kid making a mess of his room. He or she will never prevent the mess. But the mess will always be fixed. I have good faith that the human species will fix it. One day the entire biosphere will be controlled.

Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will they adapt to the raging wildfires that ~1.2C has already induced across much of the west coast? That's some adaptin'!

The northern US and Canada were barren mud and rock 12000 years ago. They'll adapt.

Like the wooly mammoths did!

Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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Canada and northern part of the US will be fine (north of the mason dixon line). Places like Albany, NY, or Minesota, or most of Canada, appart from the occasional crazy swings, are going to be more lovely places to live, with slightly milder winters. The southern part is toast, both from water level rises, and lack of fresh water. In this country, the ones that are going to be the most affected by global warming, se…

> In this country, the ones that are going to be the most affected by global warming, seem like to care the less. This is ignoring the fact that if the southern coastal US is toast the northern areas are going to have a climate refugee crisis on their hands.

That's true. We have already been dealing with it (the last central american immigrant surge), and NYC had a huge influx of comers from Porto Rico after the last two hurricanes.

Dealing with it is still easier than having your place underwater like 1/3 of Florida might be one day. Places like NYC have to shore up low land areas, but it is still in much better shape than either Florida, Arizona, Southern CA (lack of fresh water, and fires).

Global warming is really going to hit places differently. There is a huge difference between having to deal with the occasional heat wave, or flood, and with having to deal with your whole area being permanently under-water, or complete lack of drinking water.

Re: A 3°C world has no safe place

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I'm sitting in my air conditioned room, in the USA. Doing computer stuff, naturally. I look at what I can do about this. I can turn up the temp in my room, and the house. Meager difference. I can use less water - I already am, with getting showers every other day on average. I can eat less meat - which I do with purchase of the beef CSA. I'm big into the repair movement, and repair household equipment and electronics…

Its like a little kid making a mess of his room. He or she will never prevent the mess. But the mess will always be fixed. I have good faith that the human species will fix it. One day the entire biosphere will be controlled.

The mess will not "always be fixed," because we have no parents in this analogy. We are the leaders in this world. You are simply taking on the role of an adolescent shirking responsibility.
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