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#692Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like a deliberate design choice, not some inevitable consequence of modernity. Why exactly does the board need to be cell phone sized when the actual form factor of even a netbook is substantially larger?
To fit more battery. Other than my Mac mini, every computing device (including watch and phone) I own is mostly battery inside.
Battery is a big part of mobile devices of all kind, but it's not “mostly battery” for most of those.
For instance, in a iPhone 11, the battery occupies less than half of the surface of the phone[1]. On a Macbook pro, it's about the same.[2] [1] see this ifixit video if you want to see it by yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feyqwf3cYtw&t=161s
[2] https://guide-images.cdn.ifixit.com/igi/noPvQ2CLs1jptX2p.hug... You can see that the motherboard is much, much bigger than a smartphone.
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#693Earlier quoted context omitted.
Way overstating your case. PC's might be on the decline but they are still far far from being a "rounding error for the semiconductor industry". Laptops also make up a major component of that still very alive market so no, I disagree that there is not enough market demand for having laptops that can be repaired or upgraded. It's the industry themselves that have worked to hamper the right of repair while giving nebul…
Modern laptop motherboards can easily be about the size of a cell phone. Most of the case is battery and the main board is a shrinking percentage of the BOM cost. The entire motherboard is the replaceable component. It’s less “right to repair” than the additional components and design required to make them repairable are more expensive than just replacing the whole board.
I don't know what kind of cell phone you have, but it's not an usual one: here is a picture of an open modern thinkpad https://gearopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/internals-15...
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#695Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, but a lot of car owners do change their own parts, replacing various filters, adding bolt-on parts, changing out suspension, tyres and the like. Just because most people do not do this, doesn't mean that this is something that should be forbidden or designed against. Cars are built to have replaceable parts, why can't laptops be the same? There are issues with the M1 equipped macbooks burning through flash due t…
>Just because most people do not do this, doesn't mean that this is something that should be forbidden or designed against. And where did I say that reparability must be forbidden? I was saying hat operations like transplanting a more powerful engine into your car is rare and difficult nowadays since grandparent made a reference to cars being easier to upgrade than laptops when that's not always true.
Cars are still easier to work on than laptops in relative terms of how many parts are user replaceable relative to the total amount of parts. Regardless, changing the engine is more similar to swapping out the whole motherboard and CPU. Not something the majority of enthusiasts would ever do, but there are some boutique shops that transolant modern hardware into X60 thinkpad chassis.
Anyway, swapping an LS into a modern miata is pretty simple and it integrates well due to everything being CANBUS compatible, after a sufficient amount of adapters is applied.
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#696How easy is it to replace the battery--for example, can I carry an extra battery around in my backpack and expect to swap it at a coffee shop, or is it necessary to bring tools / do it on a workbench?
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#697This device is seriously the answer to all my laptop problems. I really like the form factor of the XPS 13, but now I'm stuck with the complete inability to upgrade RAM. In what universe is that normal? Then I accidentally nuked the USB-C ports on the left side when it got wet, and now I'm left with a single port for everything, including charging. What!? Why? I tore the entire thing apart and there's just no way to…
Give me a keyboard with a trackpoint and I will give up thinkpads for the exact same reason.
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#698Earlier quoted context omitted.
Modern laptop motherboards can easily be about the size of a cell phone. Most of the case is battery and the main board is a shrinking percentage of the BOM cost. The entire motherboard is the replaceable component. It’s less “right to repair” than the additional components and design required to make them repairable are more expensive than just replacing the whole board.
I don't know what kind of cell phone you have, but it's not an usual one: here is a picture of an open modern thinkpad https://gearopen.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/internals-15...
That’s a laptop from 2 years ago; the new M1 MacBooks are more indicative of where things are headed in the future. Things like memory and any custom ICs are just going to be integrated on the same silicon as the CPU in most cases.
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#699Earlier quoted context omitted.
The reason is signal integrity. Running a high speed signal (never mind a bus of 64+ of them) through a connector is hard and takes a lot of power because the connector can seriously degrade the signals. LPDDR can be low power because it doesn't have a "memory stick" abstraction, just memory chips and controllers. It's not the resistance that kills the signal, it's the inductance and the impedance mismatching.
LPDDR3 DIMMs exist. I assume everyone is talking about LPDDR4, which seems to use 0.1V less. But the majority of people couldn't give a toss about how much of their laptop ends up in a landfill. They're using paper/glass straws, you see. Perhaps electronics landfills should be local again.
I think you're referring to DDR3L DIMMs, which are just a down-volted version of DDR3. LPDDR has never had DIMMs because of signal integrity issues. They take power to resolve.