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Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Every community needs a villain, but ask yourself this: whatever happened to Libra? Portal? (Or Building 8 in general.) Did you know that Facebook built its own drone (Aquila) that it abandoned in 2018? M? Facebook Home? Parse? Wirehog? As seen with Google, just having excellent engineers and revenue are insufficient to building lasting products, much less fulfilling an aggressive long-term mission.

>whatever happened to Libra? Portal? (Or Building 8 in general.) Did you know that Facebook built its own drone (Aquila) that was abandoned in 2018? M? Parse? Wirehog? Agree with your point - to a limit. Some of facebook experiements flopped but not all. Also, unlike Google, fb mostly marketed them as experiements. Replying mostly for sharing purposes since not all of these products' histories are common knowledge. N…

> Also, unlike Google, fb mostly marketed them as experiements.

Fair enough. Though I'd argue that with these big internet companies, the line between actual product and perpetually in beta experiment is blurred, more often by Google than others.

> IMO it was good tech no one trusted (understandably).

And as a consequence, the adoption of Portal seems pretty negligible.

> I think it was a huge missed opportunity for fb to enter the data center race against aws/gcs/azure. If fb built a benign cash cow, maybe they'd taper down their scummy social network ambitions. Or at least the value extraction. AWS cash seems to fund cool amzn loss leaders (alexa, etc). I think the same thing applies to wit.ai and other AI products they buy - if they could commercialize them into an "AWS for AI" product suite maybe they'd find a new profit center.

Very intriguing point that provides useful thought for both a what-if (Facebook didn't kill Parse) and potential future opportunities- if only Facebook cared for them.

> Makes sense that a startup business (Yeah, I just threw it in to get a full category range and historical range of different products killed by Facebook. I also edited in Facebook Home as well to touch upon smartphone software.

My main point is that it's all well and good for a corporate behemoth like FB to make the claim that they're getting into a new speculative field, but it's natural to be skeptical given how many of their experiments or (attempts at) products don't stick around. So as exciting as this sounds like, I give it as much credence as, say, IBM saying that Watson is going to revolutionize and transform healthcare through artificial intelligence.

It also goes in line with my cousin comment in another subthread about how Facebook's history is littered with retired replications of existing products. I didn't even mention Facebook cloud gaming (Facebook Gaming - admittedly still in progress), video streaming (Facebook Live), Clubhouse (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27580014), even HQ Trivia (Confetti). So that makes one wonder- does Zuckerberg really care about the metaverse idea, or is he just getting into it because Apple supposedly is?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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I got a quest 1 for as a gift a couple years back. They frequently automatically installed updates that break mods. Now, my headset is currently bricked and I need to figure out how to factory reset or something to fix it. Maybe its just indifference, but given facebook's history it feels intentional.

The quest is a console. If you want to use mods without too many issues, you need to use a PC for VR.

Yep, my friend has the Index which I really like. Leaning that direction for my next VR system.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Check out https://vrland.io

It's my startup's take on what the metaverse should look like - entirely web-based, so it works everywhere. It's a 3D/VR social platform where you can upload photos, videos, and even 3D models into rooms. Complete customizability plus easily configurable avatars.

Link to our Discord: https://discord.gg/cNfG834

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Metaverse seems like the new buzzword for the VC companies. Nowadays everyone is building metaverse type games just because of Roblox but reality is it is a limited market with high competition and only few players are interested about such games.

Seems there could be a business for corporate style services within a meta verse now that more people are working remotely. Think meetings, conferences, etc. I know second Life did this before all the degenerates moved in...

check out

https://vrland.io

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Does he really believe his own bullshit? I mean, I realize FB is literally the internet in some countries, but that's because they are essentially the only water in the desert so to speak. FB needs competition, badly.

In which countries FB is the only Internet?

There are a ton. It's weird, because they use FB differently than a lot of people. It really is the 'internet'. Pirated movies and all.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Within a decade FB will be the next dying messenger and the world will have moved on.

Facebook will be like cigarettes. Legislated to death in some countries, preying on the vulnerable like vultures in other countries. Prospering.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice. First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop. Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or p…

I love Hyperreality, and I can't wait for it to come true. I think my world would be much better. Look at how cool it is! I get that it's not for everyone, but sign me up.

You can't wait for there to be even more ads in this world? You want them to physically follow you around? You can't wait for corporations to see your every move? No thanks.

We need to fix our current internet before allowing it to permeate our lives any deeper.

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This sort of disruption will probably be considered virtual terrorism one day... Imagine the CIA torturing some poor soul over dicks in the zuckerverse.

No need to torture people, since they will know everything about you and what you have done at all times.

Not if it's a new account.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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I hate to be the one to bang on about standards, but the cyberpunk vision of the Metaverse -- and I am aiming at kind of a bog-standard middle ground of it -- will depend on some very open standards that are decentralized at the core, starting at Snow Crash and ending in the John C. Wright "The Golden Oecumene" sense of things. Anything but an open and radically-decentralized interoperable set of standards and you're…

Could I trouble you (or anyone) for a "metaverse"-related fiction reading list? It's been awhile since I dug into some classic cyberpunk.

The founding text is Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson (1992). It's short, funny, entertaining, and full of new ideas in a freewheeling early 90's spirit. The list in the comment you are replying to is not bad, since most interactions you will ever have with someone about a metaverse will hinge on shared descriptions you have with them of a metaverse, so whichever books you hear about the most are by definition the most useful ones to read.

Almost everyone has read or heard of Ready Player One (2011), which contains extensive descriptions of its own corporate dystopic metaverse, albeit one that I find insufferably cliche and unoriginal.

Metaverse descriptions are descended from the first cyberspace descriptions in Neuromancer (1984) which is a beautiful book worth a read.

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