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Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by salt-thrower »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #161
ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

> I'm surprised how negative the comments here are Honest discussion about Facebook on tech-centric forums is nearly impossible these days. Facebook and Zuckerberg are favorite villains in the tech discourse in 2021. I don't agree with everything Facebook has done, but the vitriol directed at Facebook has become so disconnected from reality that it's getting hard to take it seriously. > this still does seem like a ve…

Is it hyperbole to say that Facebook helped enable genocide in Myanmar? Or that it has been an incredibly useful tool for political propaganda, more so than traditional media ever was?

They have not done anything to meaningfully address the very real issues their platform has, and are forging ahead regardless to become even more ubiquitous. The negativity is very understandable.

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Post by bttrfl »

It's an excellent opportunity to remind everyone about a truly great book by Lem: "The Futurological Congress" [0] and its interesting movie adaptation "The Congress" [1].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Futurological_Congress [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film)

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by yann2 »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #161
ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

> I'm surprised how negative the comments here are Honest discussion about Facebook on tech-centric forums is nearly impossible these days. Facebook and Zuckerberg are favorite villains in the tech discourse in 2021. I don't agree with everything Facebook has done, but the vitriol directed at Facebook has become so disconnected from reality that it's getting hard to take it seriously. > this still does seem like a ve…

Excellent engineers and revenues that massively dwarf FBs can be found at AT&T too but tell us how much attention you pay to whatever bullshit comes out of their CEOs 6 inch chimp brain.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by fnord77 »

Animats wrote: post #188
at_a_remove wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be the one to bang on about standards, but the cyberpunk vision of the Metaverse -- and I am aiming at kind of a bog-standard middle ground of it -- will depend on some very open standards that are decentralized at the core, starting at Snow Crash and ending in the John C. Wright "The Golden Oecumene" sense of things. Anything but an open and radically-decentralized interoperable set of standards and you're…

will depend on some very open standards that are decentralized at the core There's a performance problem. The open Web only works because we have enough compute power to tie up multiprocessor computers with a few gigaflops per CPU and gigabytes of RAM to display 2D text with a few pictures on the screen. A good 3D game world pushes the limits of what current hardware can do. The level of inefficiency associated with…

sooner or later hardware will be sufficient

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by Ajedi32 »

Bombthecat wrote: post #209
Animats wrote: post #175

Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice. First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop. Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or p…

I thought horizon is still in beta?

Invite-only closed beta. That's probably why GP hasn't heard about it in a while.

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Post by nebula8804 »

CyanBird wrote: post #98
matheusmoreira wrote: post #65

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This sort of disruption will probably be considered virtual terrorism one day... Imagine the CIA torturing some poor soul over dicks in the zuckerverse.

Given that Israel already called a "new type of terrorism" when an ice cream company didn't feel comfortable working on the country anymore, then I'd say that we are not far from that at all

They are just mad that that their claim to fame in the consumer packaged product industry is a company that puts bubbles in water and not something better like delicious ice cream. /s

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by nebula8804 »

cameronh90 wrote: post #61
jhbadger wrote: post #35

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Facebook the company or Facebook the platform? The thing with Facebook owning Instagram is even as Facebook itself becomes less and less relevant to younger generations, the company still owns the platform those younger generations favor. And as Instagram inevitably becomes itself irrelevant, I'm sure Facebook will just buy the next social media platform.

Instagram has already peaked and is on the down-trend. TikTok is what the kids are using now - and they're valued at about half of what FB is valued at, so unlikely that FB will be able to buy them. Maybe FB will buy whatever replaces TikTok.

I still wish Oracle took over TikTok. It would have been an amazing plot twist. Would they come up an Oracle style licensing agreement for all the tweens on TikTok?

Just like how Gen Z realized much faster than millennials that the economy and their future is hogwash, they would learn the consequences of agreeing to an Oracle license agreement much faster than their older peers.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by nebula8804 »

RegW wrote: post #50
jhbadger wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook the company or Facebook the platform? The thing with Facebook owning Instagram is even as Facebook itself becomes less and less relevant to younger generations, the company still owns the platform those younger generations favor. And as Instagram inevitably becomes itself irrelevant, I'm sure Facebook will just buy the next social media platform.

Even FB will make a wrong turn one day. Every time it buys a new name it gets bigger. Eventually it will be a fat man standing behind a lamp post

It takes a long time for the fat man to die. In the meantime it will drag us all along kicking and screaming until its eventual demise.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by erikpukinskis »

giobox wrote: post #187
Animats wrote: post #175

Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice. First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop. Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or p…

VR/AR is such a new paradigm for interacting with computers I think that its inevitable companies will make many failures before finding the apps and hardware that clicks with customers. In 2017, we had only had mainstream non-beta VR headset hardware in the marketplace since 2016 (original consumer Rift, HTC Vive), lets not forget the 20 years of PDA hardware/software attempts we lived through before the mainstream…

Notably, I think eye contact is a killer app for VR and none of the headsets can do it yet.

Facebook is smart to be in there doing experiments and failing though. That's table stakes for having a shot at winning the competition.

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