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Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by sillysaurusx »

Animats wrote: post #175

Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice. First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop. Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or p…

I love Hyperreality, and I can't wait for it to come true. I think my world would be much better. Look at how cool it is!

I get that it's not for everyone, but sign me up.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by bostonsre »

ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

I'm not sure the negative comments are due to some tribal rationalization. The social network-ization of society hasn't had great effects in a lot of cases like increased depression and affecting the course of democracy. I think facebook has proven that the only thing that they care about is the all mighty dollar and their leadership seems to have machiavellian like reasoning of the ends (connecting the world) justifying the means (monopolistic like market dominance by assimilation, duplication and/or crushing of competition). The guy at the helm literally models himself after caesar and has absolute control over the company.

They are proposing to further mold and control society. To me, that sounds a lot like some kind of dystopian future and not something I would enjoy being part of. It may sound nice and all butterflies and flowers, but I don't think it would be prudent to just ignore their track record and say "o, it will probably be fine".

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Post by vineyardmike »

Niglodonicus wrote: post #154
cblconfederate wrote: post #108

> probably going to resemble some kind of a hybrid between the social platforms that we see today, but an environment where you’re embodied in it Opensimulator (the open source version of second life server) already exists, it is decentralized, self-hosted, and a few thousands of people re already living in it : https://opensimworld.com/

Serious question regarding my flagged comment in this thread since I'm new here: What's wrong with it? Is it not ok to express that I feel a phenomenon is sad? Did I need to go into more detail about how the phenomenon arose? Is criticism of capitalism or our societal systems unacceptable?

Its just dismissive and rude sounding.

Why is it sad? Surely the people who built it and use it think its cool. As others said "late stage capitalism" is a very opinionated and loaded phrase.

Your comment is very negative, without inviting room for critique or feedback. It does not open a discussion, just judgement and derision.

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Post by ethbr0 »

ComodoHacker wrote: post #84
ethbr0 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Top reason Facebook won't succeed here: they're too greedy. Say what you want about MS and Google, but they left a lot of money and opportunity on the table for others. Facebook... notsomuch. Which works fine when you start with a first mover platform. But doesn't work nearly as well when trying to grow a platform from nothing. Here's hoping the effort crashes into the ground.

When the other option is being forcibly broken up as a monopoly, your greed would advise you to lose less rather than more.

Hyperscale tech was smart in the way they designed their business to wrap around existing anti-trust law (via creating captive markets inside of larger markets and spanning multiple market categories).

We'll see if they're smart enough to outflank Antitrust 2.0, or if they make the same mistakes as Big Railroad / Oil -- assuming they're more powerful than government and/or believing their own PR about how they're not a monopoly.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by athrowaway3z »

ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

> Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be able to become a long-term market leader

No its not, and Mark knows it: "Critically, no one company will run the metaverse"

Its not in Facebook interest to have competitors and they will act accordingly. My guess is Facebook will first try to buyout the 'metaverse', then it will try to 'emulate but different', and then they will switch to being an over-engineered data hosting provider.

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Post by Apocryphon »

Niglodonicus wrote: post #154
cblconfederate wrote: post #108

> probably going to resemble some kind of a hybrid between the social platforms that we see today, but an environment where you’re embodied in it Opensimulator (the open source version of second life server) already exists, it is decentralized, self-hosted, and a few thousands of people re already living in it : https://opensimworld.com/

Serious question regarding my flagged comment in this thread since I'm new here: What's wrong with it? Is it not ok to express that I feel a phenomenon is sad? Did I need to go into more detail about how the phenomenon arose? Is criticism of capitalism or our societal systems unacceptable?

The comment's kind of puzzling. Second Life has its own passionate community but was niche even in the mid 2000s when it came out, dwarfed by the MMORPG craze exemplified by World of Warcraft. What's so sad or consequential about Second Life, in comparison? It had its own niche and its own fans and never even became mainstream.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by IceHegel »

The "metaverse" is scam. Talking about it is just a way signal that you're a lord not a serf, i.e. "I can get a girlfriend, but most can't and they'll use the metaverse to drown their sorrows."

Facebook should make something they themselves want. I want an iPod not a VR concert.

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