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Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by paconbork »

Apocryphon wrote: post #177
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #161

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> I'm surprised how negative the comments here are Honest discussion about Facebook on tech-centric forums is nearly impossible these days. Facebook and Zuckerberg are favorite villains in the tech discourse in 2021. I don't agree with everything Facebook has done, but the vitriol directed at Facebook has become so disconnected from reality that it's getting hard to take it seriously. > this still does seem like a ve…

Every community needs a villain, but ask yourself this: whatever happened to Libra? Portal? (Or Building 8 in general.) Did you know that Facebook built its own drone (Aquila) that it abandoned in 2018? M? Facebook Home? Parse? Wirehog? As seen with Google, just having excellent engineers and revenue are insufficient to building lasting products, much less fulfilling an aggressive long-term mission.

Libra became Novi and is still in active development for what it's worth

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Post by CodeGlitch »

DethNinja wrote: post #11

Metaverse seems like the new buzzword for the VC companies. Nowadays everyone is building metaverse type games just because of Roblox but reality is it is a limited market with high competition and only few players are interested about such games.

Seems there could be a business for corporate style services within a meta verse now that more people are working remotely. Think meetings, conferences, etc. I know second Life did this before all the degenerates moved in...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by at_a_remove »

Animats wrote: post #188
at_a_remove wrote: post #96

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I hate to be the one to bang on about standards, but the cyberpunk vision of the Metaverse -- and I am aiming at kind of a bog-standard middle ground of it -- will depend on some very open standards that are decentralized at the core, starting at Snow Crash and ending in the John C. Wright "The Golden Oecumene" sense of things. Anything but an open and radically-decentralized interoperable set of standards and you're…

will depend on some very open standards that are decentralized at the core There's a performance problem. The open Web only works because we have enough compute power to tie up multiprocessor computers with a few gigaflops per CPU and gigabytes of RAM to display 2D text with a few pictures on the screen. A good 3D game world pushes the limits of what current hardware can do. The level of inefficiency associated with…

Oh, I have no illusions about how well the radically decentralized business works out. It is wildly inefficient, the content could be anything, and so on. Think Freenet. And I have watched the VR promise die enough deaths to make a cat envious.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by echlebek »

ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

The comments are negative because people hate facebook, and they hate Mark Zuckerberg, and they have good reason for that.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by mrweasel »

If Facebook is to build this sort thing, sure why not, we can choose not to use it.

Where Zuckerberg goes of the rails for me is: " I think it’s about being engaged more naturally."

If he truly believe that, he should start by fixing Facebooks algorithms. There is nothing natural about the way people interact with Facebook anymore. Initially it was keeping up with friends, family old work buddies and so on. As Facebook tweaked the snot out out of their algorithms to keep people "engaged", everything natural went right out the window.

Facebook should built whatever they believe will keep them relevant, just to lie about the motives or use deceptive language to make it sound like something it's ostensibly not.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by CodeGlitch »

Vrondi wrote: post #147

I was thinking of buying an Occulus Rift, and Facebook buying Occulus is the thing that guaranteed I'd never buy one. People said it wouldn't be a problem, and now you must log in with a Facebook account in order to use your Occulus hardware. No way.

It made me sad too especially when John Carmack was also dragged* into it.

* Not sure how he feels about it, but I get the impression he's there for the pay cheque to work on more interesting side projects like AI.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by at_a_remove »

akeck wrote: post #174
at_a_remove wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be the one to bang on about standards, but the cyberpunk vision of the Metaverse -- and I am aiming at kind of a bog-standard middle ground of it -- will depend on some very open standards that are decentralized at the core, starting at Snow Crash and ending in the John C. Wright "The Golden Oecumene" sense of things. Anything but an open and radically-decentralized interoperable set of standards and you're…

Could I trouble you (or anyone) for a "metaverse"-related fiction reading list? It's been awhile since I dug into some classic cyberpunk.

Aside from what I mentioned, you're looking at Bruce Sterling, maybe a little Stross. I hesitate to recommend Doctorow -- he is faddishly distracted and senselessly optimistic. Vinge's "True Names" stands out. Maybe When H.A.R.L.I.E. Was One for the AI side of things. The amusing Headcrash, writings by Pat Cadigan, Jeter's deliciously dystopian Noir is a favorite if you want to see how bad it might get. Hardwired, by Walter Jon Williams, but that one has been a while.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by nomel »

dasil003 wrote: post #158
ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

By this logic, FAANG is best positioned to every tech innovation because they have the resources and know-how to pursue it. I think it's a dangerous line of thinking as the power these company wields absolutely corrupts their governance. Sure they give us cool toys, and they have the marketing budget to make sure know it, but real talk: we need restrictions on their ability to dominate every area instead of cheerlead…

> FAANG is best positioned to every tech innovation because they have the resources and know-how to pursue it.

This isn't what I've seen. FAANG, and all large corporations, have many layers of bureaucracy that are required for approval of projects. "New" and "innovative" are "different" and "not well understood" by definition. As the bureaucracy get crusty, and more risk adverse, the ability to get these "unknowns" approves becomes harder and harder. Instead, you see buyouts of small companies, who didn't have that layer of bureaucracy to dig through, as the larger source of innovation. Going forward in time, like Intel, these small and innovative acquisitions get integrated and destroyed by that overwhelming bureaucracy, before they can even be fruitful.

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