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Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by michaelmrose »

zh3 wrote: post #146
CyanBird wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that Israel already called a "new type of terrorism" when an ice cream company didn't feel comfortable working on the country anymore, then I'd say that we are not far from that at all

One has to tread very carefully when mentioning Israel in any context. That said, I couldn't follow the logic of that; how exactly is it that Ben and Jerry's deciding not to sell ice cream in the occupied palestinian territories a "new type of terrorism" against Israel? (esp. as the B&J factory is apparently in Israel).

Basically Israel is the real life embodiment of Seinfeld's uncle Leo who says anything and everything is antisemitism except it's also terrorism.

These labels have existing very negative meanings that they would both like to court with their own behavior and accuse others of thoughtlessly.

I feel like that singular statement is like watching an entire country jump the shark and that we ought to stop taking their phone calls. They have absolutely nothing we need and they don't require our help to survive anymore.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by Apocryphon »

egypturnash wrote: post #164

yeah, sure, Mark, I'll believe in this "unprecedented interoperability" when I can follow someone on Facebook using an open standard like RSS without having an account, and when I can have my personal Wordpress site auto-post to my personal Facebook account. I'll believe in this "unprecedented interoperability" when you're not constantly trying to get me to pay a ransom to have my posts shown to people who have said…

It was particularly galling when they silently disabled the Twitter integration a few years ago and removed years' worth of my cross-platform posts.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by akeck »

at_a_remove wrote: post #96
artfulhippo wrote: post #55

The Verge podcast[0] where Zuck made this comment was quite revealing. Without naming Apple specifically, Zuck managed to communicate an intense fear that Facebook would be locked out of Apple's upcoming AR platform. Is the 'metaverse' inevitable? Or is it merely sci-fi wishful thinking? If 'interoperability' and 'decentralization' means that you can't avoid targeted advertising, I'll pass. [0]: https://www.theverge.…

I hate to be the one to bang on about standards, but the cyberpunk vision of the Metaverse -- and I am aiming at kind of a bog-standard middle ground of it -- will depend on some very open standards that are decentralized at the core, starting at Snow Crash and ending in the John C. Wright "The Golden Oecumene" sense of things. Anything but an open and radically-decentralized interoperable set of standards and you're…

Could I trouble you (or anyone) for a "metaverse"-related fiction reading list? It's been awhile since I dug into some classic cyberpunk.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by Animats »

Facebook has so far tried, and failed, to do this. Twice.

First was Facebook Spaces. Opened 2017, closed 2019. This was a VR world. Not a very good one. It was mostly a 3D approach to a desktop.[1] You could hand other people flat pictures. Sharing! Total flop.

Second was Facebook Horizon. Opened 2020, still running, but not getting much attention. It's a 3D cartoon level VR world. Works OK, not very interesting or pretty. Big emphasis on "safety", which means no sex. Avatars have no legs; nothing below the waistline. Plus there's a panic button which puts you in a "personal safe zone", where you're in a bubble until Security gets there to rescue you from whomever is annoying you. While it's still running, Facebook doesn't mention Horizon any more.

Zuckerberg's vision is probably more like that video I've linked before, "Hypereality". The real world, with overlays from augmented reality. Overlays of more ads.

[1] https://youtu.be/_kGRpSd4vnc

[2] https://youtu.be/Uf_9J_EdzZw

[3] https://youtu.be/YJg02ivYzSs

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by goatlover »

recursive wrote: post #159
Niglodonicus wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seriously hope enough people are still grounded enough in this reality to reject AR/VR bullshit besides as a fun playground like VRchat or what have you. Integrating either or both into daily life would be fucking godawful.

To me, VR is really cool. I wouldn't want to give it up. It functions as a game console with a different input/display device. I'm not too keen on the metaverse concept, and I don't use it for social stuff.

Agreed on that, but I don't want it to become like a smartphone where it almost becomes a necessary component of a majority of your waking life. I already take in enough digital content and am tracked by enough things as it is.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by Apocryphon »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #161
ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

> I'm surprised how negative the comments here are Honest discussion about Facebook on tech-centric forums is nearly impossible these days. Facebook and Zuckerberg are favorite villains in the tech discourse in 2021. I don't agree with everything Facebook has done, but the vitriol directed at Facebook has become so disconnected from reality that it's getting hard to take it seriously. > this still does seem like a ve…

Every community needs a villain, but ask yourself this: whatever happened to Libra? Portal? (Or Building 8 in general.) Did you know that Facebook built its own drone (Aquila) that it abandoned in 2018? M? Facebook Home? Parse? Wirehog?

As seen with Google, just having excellent engineers and revenue are insufficient to building lasting products, much less fulfilling an aggressive long-term mission.

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Post by stuart78 »

r00fus wrote: post #126
smoldesu wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the feeling that it's all going to look immensely stupid until Apple releases a VR headset, and Facebook is the first company with a native client on it. From there, this "metaverse" concept introduces a virtually limitless amount of content. They could start porting over original VR titles, creating first-class video sharing tools and more. I despise Facebook, but I wholeheartedly agree here: this is an incred…

I have a strong feeling that this situation will never occur. Tim and Mark aren't exactly on partnership terms.

There is no need for a partnership beyond the one that allows Facebook to be hosted in the App Store. I think the point is being ready on day one to take advantage of whatever Apple delivers in this space. Facebook switched from web-first to mobile-first/native relatively slowly when the first mobile App Stores, and I think the point is they don't want to be second movers in the future.

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Post by slim »

RandallBrown wrote: post #82
matheusmoreira wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sort of disruption will probably be considered virtual terrorism one day... Imagine the CIA torturing some poor soul over dicks in the zuckerverse.

Does the CIA torture people that draw dicks in the real world?

Of course. Undercover agents within ISIS pretending to be morality police.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will turn into a ‘metaverse’

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Post by radmuzom »

ve55 wrote: post #69

I'm surprised how negative the comments here are, even if it is true that 'metaverse' is turning into a pretty silly buzzword. I think there's still coherent concepts defined by it (interfaces becoming much more inline with what humans find natural, integration of VR+AR capabilities, and the 'Internet' becoming more and more 'real life' in general). Facebook is absolutely one of the best-positioned companies to be ab…

I'd rather have JC Denton usher in the new dark age than allow this raving lunatic control more of our lives.
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