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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by wffurr » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:31 PM UTC

jarcane wrote: post #297

hughrr wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically 99% of the corporate and consumer laptops I have been party to are built to order with the right amount of RAM in and never upgraded. Those of us who actually upgrade are an insignificant minority at this point or pulling them out of the ex corp recycling lifecycle. Another point is stuff that is soldered in is a lot more reliable as a whole. Amazing how many old machines can be resurrected by reseating…

The Framework's ports are all on user-selectable, replaceable expansion modules. If one of the USB-C ports dies, you just unplug it and install a new one.

The expansion modules themselves are USB C dongles designed to fit flush in the case

If the internal USB C ports get damaged, presumably the device can be opened and repaired.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by scns » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:32 PM UTC

rvanlaar wrote: post #437

MikusR wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also web is still single threaded.

What do you mean by that? Firefox and Chrome both have gpu hardware acceleration, and different threads/processes for UI and webpages.

Javascript is parsed and executed on one core.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by lillecarl » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:34 PM UTC

intricatedetail wrote: post #392

ribit wrote: post #286

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> In what universe is that normal? In a universe where you want high-performance energy efficient RAM. Premium ultracompact laptops have long moved to LPDDR which is both faster and consumes significantly less energy than regular modular DDR. And LPDDR does not come in DIMMs. And then you have Apple who are using custom package technology with custom RAM chips to cut down RAM power consumption to under one watt activ…

The problem is not that the chip is soldered, but that you can't buy it. Soldering BGA is not that difficult.

I would have to leave it to a professional, I can barely solder connectors on my RC car power packs

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by culopatin » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:34 PM UTC

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Do you have a comparison of battery runtime with each config?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by swalsh » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:34 PM UTC

Super disapointed. Just a few weeeks ago I bought a macbook pro with an M1 from Apple, it's kind of the default choice at the moment. I love the concept of this laptop so much though. If it was available when I was making my choice, I would have seriously considered it as an option.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by loufe » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:38 PM UTC

sim_card_map wrote: post #377

Windows only, no option to use linux instead. Pass.

This is just plainly false. Take the time to read before spouting such negative drivel.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by loufe » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:40 PM UTC

stickyricky wrote: post #157

Have you sent out review units to any YouTubers?

In another comment thread someone mentioned LTT already released their review on their own platform, I think called Floatplane, which comes before their Youtube release.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by fsflover » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:41 PM UTC

busymom0 wrote: post #419

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

This is outstanding. One question - I really wish there was a way to remove the camera as well as microphone (if there's any built in). Is that possible?

Consider Librem 14 laptop instead, it has hardware kill switches. By the way, I wish this laptop had them too.

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Post by emodendroket » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:48 PM UTC

ribit wrote: post #436

emodendroket wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I’m really curious where they go from here because it seems like the lesson is that modularity has a major performance penalty.

Once you get to a certain stage, yes, modularity becomes very expensive. I do believe that things like SSDs or WiFi cards should be modular, because there is no reason for them not to, but RAM? We are moving towards high-bandwidth on-package RAM, why would I want to sacrifice 100Gbps of performance and 5+ hours of battery life — not to mention also paying more — just to have an option of upgrading the RAM some time d…

Right, and then even if you can upgrade the RAM, the machine may not even be compatible with the best RAM down the line anyway. It's hard to imagine another drop-in upgrade that will be as big as putting SSDs in old machines was.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by selykg » Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:52 PM UTC

stefandesu wrote: post #333

deathanatos wrote: post #237

> We designed the adapter to be modular, with both the 1m AC cable and 2m USB-C cable detachable and replaceable, reducing waste in case your cat chews through one of them. Thank you. This is one of my chief annoyances with Lenovo's connector, and it smacks of planned obsolescence, since there is no other conceivable reason for it. I think every brick I've had has failed in the same spot: between the connector and co…

Our cat likes to chew on cables if we're not careful, and he has already destroyed multiple cables including one older Apple MacBook charger which costs like $80 to replace if bought from Apple.

Been there... I try really hard to keep the cables hidden so she can't see them, and my office is a no fly zone for her. So far so good. But she's ruined something like $300-400 worth of cables. Worse is the risk of fire or electrocution that bothers me.