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SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant infected 16 fully Pfizer vaccinated Guiana gold miners

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Post by chiefalchemist »

scheme271 wrote: post #81
chiefalchemist wrote: post #26

"Mine workers were mostly men (42/44); median age was 53.3 years. Eighteen of the workers had risk factors for severe COVID-19: high blood pressure (11/44), diabetes mellitus (4/44), or obesity (4/44)." "The overall attack rate was 54.5% (24/44); 87% were symptomatic, 65% with fever, and 22.6% with dyspnea. No clinically severe COVID-19 (1) was observed, and no patient was hospitalized." This make sense. If more seve…

All of this really depends on the specifics of the disease. For example, HIV is pretty much 100% fatal and it has remained so over the last 40 years. Syphilis and Leprosy also have high fatality rates and have been around for 2000+ years. If a fatal disease doesn't kill the host for a while then it can easily become more transmissible while still being very harmful.

Exactly. Long incubation period. Takes long to kill its host. The opposite of Ebola. If it were more like Ebola it would be must less likely to spread, if at all.

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Post by estaseuropano »

criticaltinker wrote: post #84

As other commenters have noted, this case study further supports the widespread observations that COVID-19 vaccines reduce the chance of severe (symptomatic) illness but do not necessarily prevent infection and transmission. The authors of this study conjecture that the unvaccinated asymptomatic “patient 40” may have been the source of the infections seen in the other fully vaccinated patients - however this was a mi…

This is just a specific version of the Red Queen of evolution and in no way unexpected. But the virus will keep mutating as much as it spreads, so our best bet is still to vaccinate as widely as possible to contain the spread, thereby reducing chance of mutations. Vaccinated people get still sick but are less likely to infect others, reducing overall spread.

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Post by rwallace »

cblconfederate wrote: post #103

Maybe sars2 will turn out like the cold viruses - impossible to vaccinate against.

Are the cold viruses impossible to vaccinate against? I always assumed they were the same as flu – possible, but you need new vaccines every year because the strains keep shifting – it's just that the severity of colds is low enough that we don't bother. Is that not the case?

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Post by effie »

native_samples wrote: post #175
AstralStorm wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re 2. Which programs? Not even polio vaccinations worked to eradicate the virus completely, and these came the closest. Much less BCG or variola (pox). Viruses like flu and coronaviruses, nigh impossible to eradicate. 1 and 3, sure. And mRNA vaccine is not particularly more dangerous than any other type. The cost-benefit is strongly on the side of vaccination there.

Why do you think smallpox wasn't eliminated by vaccines? mRNA vaccine is not particularly more dangerous than any other type I don't understand how that is consistent with the data from the various vaccine surveillance systems which show clearly that it's drastically more dangerous. It's also inconsistent with anecdotes that I've been hearing from people around me, of whom a disturbingly large number say that the vac…

Indeed. It is also inconsistent with the fact that COVID vaccines are still in clinical trials, with no data regarding long-term (10 years) effects.

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Post by native_samples »

vampirical wrote: post #210
native_samples wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paragraphs would help me work through your questions. Firstly, the claims aren't extraordinary. There is a long history of vaccines being suspended for being more dangerous than is worth it, for example here's a CNN archival story about that: https://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/30/swine.flu.1976/ind... "ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- The man who led the response to the 1976 swine flu outbreak is defending the vaccinati…

Sorry on a limited device where I can't do much formatting. You made a pretty explicit claim earlier in this thread "The mRNA vaccines are not "adequate": they are being treated by governments as if they aren't working whilst also being significantly more dangerous than every other vaccine programme out there by a long way". Talking about historic or generalized vaccine ROI is different and is a new claim that isn't…

Alright. Let's break down the question of adequacy; as it's a vague word that we may be using differently.

1. Does it work? In the UK even people who have completed both rounds of vaccination are having restrictions imposed on them. Contact tracing has not been ended there and is now triggering a full blown "pingdemic" that is causing a generalized economic crisis in which supermarket shelves are emptying, port authorities are warning of further supply chain disruptions and TV shows have been knocked off the air. This is incompatible with the idea that vaccines work and very incompatible with the narrative that was previously being sold, that vaccines were a way out and would mark the end of the restrictions.

Hence, governments are acting as if the vaccines are not adequate solutions to the crisis.

2. Are they dangerous? You raise good questions. Unfortunately the article you link to is paywalled. However, I've also read deeper analyses of VAERS data + similar databases from other countries that look at this and conclude:

2a. Background reporting rates for other vaccines are similar to what would be expected normally. There is no evidence that current events are inflating the reporting rate (or decreasing it).

2b. Studies of reporting rates in pre-COVID years have indicated a very high rate of under-reporting. https://www.openvaers.com/images/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-r...

Fundamentally although the Y axis may not be accurate, the trend is hard to ignore. The data has gone vertical in 2021. Once massively increased awareness is excluded as a possibility, I don't see how other conclusions are possible.

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Post by scotty79 »

pigeonhole123 wrote: post #191
scotty79 wrote: post #177

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Becoming infected also doesn't completely protect you from becoming infected again, 1% of patients who had severe covid get infected again in just 3.5 months. [0] So even if vaccines don't prevent the transmission or protect from infection worse than being severely infected then you might treat them just as a way of making you survive your first infection so that first infection can protect you better from further in…

I find it curious that the rate of reinfection from that study coincides exactly with the false positive rate of the test

Some of the reinfected people died. You don't die from false positive result on two tests. It's not stated in the article buy you can safely assume that some of the reinfected had symptoms other than death as well.

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Post by effie »

lmilcin wrote: post #134
criticaltinker wrote: post #84

As other commenters have noted, this case study further supports the widespread observations that COVID-19 vaccines reduce the chance of severe (symptomatic) illness but do not necessarily prevent infection and transmission. The authors of this study conjecture that the unvaccinated asymptomatic “patient 40” may have been the source of the infections seen in the other fully vaccinated patients - however this was a mi…

> As other commenters have noted, this case study further supports the widespread observations that COVID-19 vaccines reduce the chance of severe (symptomatic) illness but do not necessarily prevent infection and transmission. Your argument that the vaccine stops only symptoms and not the infection is false. If that was true, we would not see countries that practically eradicated the virus instantly after vaccination…

> countries that practically eradicated the virus instantly after vaccination (like Israel)

Source for this absurd claim?

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Post by vampirical »

vampirical wrote: post #210
native_samples wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paragraphs would help me work through your questions. Firstly, the claims aren't extraordinary. There is a long history of vaccines being suspended for being more dangerous than is worth it, for example here's a CNN archival story about that: https://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/30/swine.flu.1976/ind... "ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- The man who led the response to the 1976 swine flu outbreak is defending the vaccinati…

Sorry on a limited device where I can't do much formatting. You made a pretty explicit claim earlier in this thread "The mRNA vaccines are not "adequate": they are being treated by governments as if they aren't working whilst also being significantly more dangerous than every other vaccine programme out there by a long way". Talking about historic or generalized vaccine ROI is different and is a new claim that isn't…

Here's an archive of the Medium post so you can read it without dealing with their soft paywall: https://archive.is/uKzSZ

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Post by effie »

ben_w wrote: post #132
jsbdk wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would I want to vaccinate if I'm still going to get restricted? I mean the whole deal here was that if we got vaccinated we'd be back to normal life. If that wasn't the case they should've been sincere up front and most of us wouldn't have gotten vaccinated.

Same reason I want to wear a seatbelt even though I’m still restricted by the speed limit: demonstrably lower chances of not merely death but also sub-fatal harm.

Would you want to wear a seatbelt if it also injected you with a novel gene therapy vaccine, which is basically a russian-roulette with rare harmful health effects and your family can't sue the state nor the pharma?

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Post by lmilcin »

effie wrote: post #217
lmilcin wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As other commenters have noted, this case study further supports the widespread observations that COVID-19 vaccines reduce the chance of severe (symptomatic) illness but do not necessarily prevent infection and transmission. Your argument that the vaccine stops only symptoms and not the infection is false. If that was true, we would not see countries that practically eradicated the virus instantly after vaccination…

> countries that practically eradicated the virus instantly after vaccination (like Israel) Source for this absurd claim?

It is not an absurd claim. The statistics are available to everybody.

Israel implemented vaccinations efficiently and very quickly their infection rates dropped close to zero.

I live in Poland and same thing happened here.

Now the infection rates grow again because the current vaccination rate and vaccine themselves are not enough to protect.

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