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Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by raxxorrax »

mindslight wrote: post #80
swader999 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the details. The idea that you have to have your pass scanned to enter all these venues is still insane.

The idea that you should expect to be searched to enter concerts and sporting events is more insane. And yet that's just been the new normal for the past 15 years. The biggest issue is whether businesses can use your personal information for purposes other than checking vaccination status. Some of the European systems I've read about seem to discourage that, and the GDPR would also seem to prohibit it. But there's no…

Yeah, but that new normal isn't really desirable in itself...

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by ggm »

robbiep wrote: post #71
ggm wrote: post #14

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So.. that would include the vaccines I mentioned, not listed here.

You phrased COVAX as though it was a vaccine in itself, rather than a program, and it is not at all clear that was your intention

I am sorry I wasn't clearer. I meant, what about ALL the vaccines directed into covax which will at end, affect more of the world than the supset used in eurine and the US

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by kaskakokos »

kmos17 wrote: post #89
kaskakokos wrote: post #84

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See my comment above please. Not black, not white, my point is on the grey areas. Note 1: I remember covid had a fatal rate of ~3% during the worst months. In the the Med Alerts web (see link above) the death rate of vaccines is 2.37%. It is the same scale. If I am misinterpreting it, I am happy to learn. Note 2: Only as example (but you can iterate), lets analyse it from age perspective: Covid fatal rate has this [1…

It's not clear to me what this data you are linking to means or that it is being correctly interpreted, but I think it is pretty safe to assume that if the vaccines had a 2.37% death rate we would know about it! 162M people in the US alone have been fully vaccinated, with a 2.37% death rate it would have resulted in 3.8M deaths!! Come on, please use some common sense.

Thank you. Yes, it seems a lot to me, that's why I think it might be misinterpreted, but I don't know how to interpret it. If anyone knows I'd be grateful for help.

Regarding the polio argument, yes, I agree, but it also works the other way around, how many healthy people have to be harmed for the others to survive? We can argue about this ad infinitum, but this is about numbers and I don't see the whole picture.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by rsynnott »

josh_today wrote: post #16

Serious question: Is going straight to a vaccine the typical route for new infectious diseases? Are treatments the equivalent of a Z Pack or Tamiflu more challenging to develop?

The first licensed flu vaccine became available in the 40s; tamiflu in 1999. And realistically, if we had an antiviral that was as effective against covid as tamiflu is against flu, that… would not be very interesting and we’d still be vaccinating everyone.

Antivirals are difficult and slow to develop, relatively new tech, and often not particularly good.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by kmos17 »

kaskakokos wrote: post #93
kmos17 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear to me what this data you are linking to means or that it is being correctly interpreted, but I think it is pretty safe to assume that if the vaccines had a 2.37% death rate we would know about it! 162M people in the US alone have been fully vaccinated, with a 2.37% death rate it would have resulted in 3.8M deaths!! Come on, please use some common sense.

Thank you. Yes, it seems a lot to me, that's why I think it might be misinterpreted, but I don't know how to interpret it. If anyone knows I'd be grateful for help. Regarding the polio argument, yes, I agree, but it also works the other way around, how many healthy people have to be harmed for the others to survive? We can argue about this ad infinitum, but this is about numbers and I don't see the whole picture.

See I think right there is where the problem starts, if you can't interpret it then you have to trust the experts to do it, or get a degree in immunology or whatever scientific field is required to properly be able to interpret this data. Why should you a non-expert want to interpret it on your own, or expect to be able to without properly studying this.

This is a tech site, and any of us would laugh off a non-programmer taking a peak at code and drawing a conclusion from it. And the science we are talking about here is far more advanced than just programming.

So removing this completely useless speculation based on ignorance, you have to look at the big picture and the hard facts. 600k deaths vs. no measurable negative impact of vaccines, and virtually complete protection against hospitalization and death, using a very established science (vaccines are safe and effective, and have a very long proven track record, and even mRNA is not that new.)

The numbers are very clear and available, if you don't see the whole picture it's because you don't want to.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by mindslight »

raxxorrax wrote: post #91
mindslight wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that you should expect to be searched to enter concerts and sporting events is more insane. And yet that's just been the new normal for the past 15 years. The biggest issue is whether businesses can use your personal information for purposes other than checking vaccination status. Some of the European systems I've read about seem to discourage that, and the GDPR would also seem to prohibit it. But there's no…

Yeah, but that new normal isn't really desirable in itself...

I never said that it was, which was apparent from my characterization of "insane". I was merely pointing out that framing vaccination requirements as some sort of watershed totalitarianism is ridiculous. We get far less specific benefit from other intrusions. For example, spending the political energy putting surveillance valley out of business would go much further for freedom's sake.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by taxicabjesus »

intev wrote: post #67
taxicabjesus wrote: post #36

Maybe you all can help me out. For someone who's not yet vaccinated, what's the point? 1. We now know that most of the carnage of February/March/April 2020 had to do with the aggressive use of ventilators. Once doctors stopped ventilating the majority of their patients, survival became the likely outcome of a SARS-CoV-2 infection. 2. We now know that severe COVID-19 is basically a Serotonin Syndrome (without the cust…

1) Do we know that? So all the doctors in Indonesia and India are currently killing 100,000s by begging for ventilators? Interesting. 2) Wait a minute. You are arriving at this conclusion based on a study of T-W-O people? I'm not even going to bother with the rest of it because it's infuriating reading this. If you don't have a medical degree, I will completely disregard your few hours of research online. It's people…

> by begging for ventilators?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/Ventilators-aren-t-a-pan...

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