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Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by dylan604 »

decremental wrote: post #2

Is it legal to sell something that looks almost indistinguishable from a MacBook? These responses to anyone pointing out how similar the design is are so disingenuous. Very strange!

Um, this thing has actual buttons, so clearly not a rip off of a MacBook. It also has what appears to be a dedicated power button. Also, this thing is user repairable. That's clearly not copied from Apple.

Edit: so not a dedicated power button, but an integrated finger print reader. uh-oh, case is getting weaker ;-)

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by rasz »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Great, you "somehow" missed my questions last time around.

>Every module has a QR code on it that you can scan for step-by-step instructions, support information, and a link to order a replacement from the Framework Marketplace

So its a dealer "repair" where you, the dealer, sell me a repair without the labour part in a form of black box to replace?

What about the schematics? the Board files? Firmware?

Who is the ODM? Compal? Pegatron? Quanta? Clevo? Wistron? Inventec? Flextronics?

Did you pay for fully tailor made design? Who else sells a laptop with the exact same design (ignoring form factor)? You dont have a single EE listed on staff. What part of the electrical design do you own? Do you own any part of it at all? This sure looks like tweaked Acer Swift 3 SF313-53, same ODM?

Do you own any part of the firmware that goes into the laptop? Will you be able to patch it?

"Great Webcam in a Laptop" Thinkpad X1 tablet 2nd gen uses same OV2740, isnt exactly known for great camera. Optics and ISP tuning are the important bits. Can you post a demonstration video instead of one 1mpix picture of a laptop screen at an angle?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by nrp »

aftergibson wrote: post #14
itwy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How compatible is it with Linux? Was it tested with specific distros?

Yeah the fact that Linux supporter isn’t listed makes me pause on making a purchase, especially when it’s from a new laptop maker. Hopefully on release we can get some confirmations about how well it runs.

We'll be posting up step by step installation and use guides for a few popular distros soon. We sent pre-release hardware out to developers and maintainers at a few distros and have been working with them on this. In the meantime, we also have a Linux sub-forum in our community where we expect folks will post their experiences with more obscure distros: https://community.frame.work/c/diy-edition/linux/91

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by viraptor »

wmf wrote: post #15
viraptor wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're almost all thinking it, so... are you trying to get sued by Apple, or what's the reason for 1:1 copy of the design? Edit: To be clear, I'm not just trying to dunk on the idea. That would be the reason for me not to buy one if it looks like the vendor can fold because Apple dragged them to court.

So many laptops are copying Apple that it's no longer notable.

Copying elements - sure. But I've never seen one before where I though - this is an Apple product.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by Teever »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

1. What was the sort of reaction to your unorthodox modular laptop design from the OEMs who are used to making standard laptop designs? Do OEMs have a preference for making disposable products or do you think that they see opportunity in making more modular machines that users can upgrade piece-meal over years?

2. Is there anything hardware wise that would prevent someone from making an arm based motherboard for this device, or even a RISCV based motherboard?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by BoysenberryPi »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

2 questions:

1. Have you sent review copies to any independent review channels like LTT, Gamers Nexus, etc etc? I've seen the Tested video but that was in a very controlled environment and I'm mainly waiting on independent reviews before buying one.

2. More of a business question that I'll understand if you don't want to answer, without sharing any actual numbers, has the preorder volume been more or less than you expected?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by peregrine »

nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Any plans for AMD or ARM processor options? The amd ryzen stuff has nearly good performance per watt that the M1 does. I really can’t see myself buying another intel processor for at least a few generations.

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by filereaper »

Any idea if we/when we can get a Ryzen based models?

Ryzens have higher thread-counts and Vega Graphics outperforms Iris graphics.

If this can be paired with Thunderbolt, I'd be super happy to purchase this laptop.

The idea of swappable ports is great! Why not make a large 17" model with desktop components and even more ports?

Re: The Framework Laptop is now shipping

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Post by dylan604 »

rasz wrote: post #22
nrp wrote: post #4

Framework Founder here! I am happy to answer any questions on the product.

Great, you "somehow" missed my questions last time around. >Every module has a QR code on it that you can scan for step-by-step instructions, support information, and a link to order a replacement from the Framework Marketplace So its a dealer "repair" where you, the dealer, sell me a repair without the labour part in a form of black box to replace? What about the schematics? the Board files? Firmware? Who is the ODM…

Are you trying to start your own company off the back of the research these guys have done?

I didn't see anything about this company claiming 100% open source and private consciousness. I thought that was a different company that never really did anything because of issues you've asked about. If I'm wrong in that, please correct me. Certain chips just couldn't use custom open firmware, so no device was ever going to be 100% open.

Just seems your questions might be a bit off target. No wonder you never got a response "the last time around".

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