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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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From my personal observation of loved ones, schizophrenics self-medicate, often with what is available. I plan to read this article to understand if they are just seeing selection bias.

They may be paranoid because marijuana amplifies paranoia. Nowadays, doctors can prescribe some highly effective tranquilizer medication that can stop schizophrenia and paranoia. Maybe if both you and another person they know simultaneously visit them, advise the same-thing, and ask inquire if getting the brand name medication would be more trust-worthy?

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There's a line from the show "Suits" that really highlights your point I think. Essentially the show is about this wunderkind who conned his way into becoming a lawyer at a top firm. He smokes weed, and the partner at the firm wants him to quit. The partner explains "It's okay if you want to smoke weed. But that's what weed smokers do. They smoke. If you want to do other things, like work at this firm, you've gotta q…

this is a meaningless tautology

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>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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I have some experience with this. My first wife was diagnosed with schizophrenia after birthing a stillborn baby. This was about 14 month after we had our first child. One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana, but she really did smoke much at all. I did most everyday though and one of the first questions he asked was if we used it. I told him I thought it was caused by losing the baby and he insisted that…

"One of her doctors insisted the cause was marijuana..." "I knew for sure he was wrong, but he refused to even consider it... [even with family history]." I have seen stuff like this a few times, and it is usually the sign of a bad doctor. If there isn't a positive test for something and you're ignoring other evidence, how can you say it absolutely is one thing or the other. This is extremely common with vaccines whe…

I agree with what you're saying.

It's kind of hard to excuse not taking the time to know the risks though. And in this case (covid) I've noticed a very interesting common line of thought. Over and over I've been told on FB "There a 99.5% chance you'll survive" by those who've refused to get vaxxed. (I live near the nation's latest hot spot, Branson, MO).

It's really been closer to a 98% survival rate here and if you frame that same subject differently by saying "You have a one in fifty chance of dying" it "feels" a lot different.

Still, the risk of vaccines has been both downplayed and exaggerated and it's kind of saddening to see how sides have been taken by our popular news media sources here in the U.S. and the divisiveness that's caused.

I think we've all had the opportunity to fully understand the risks with the corona virus vaccines if we wanted to look into it. But if our sources were only and any of the Big TV News Corporations we got a very tilted view. Much the same as I got from my first wife's doctors.

All that said, I think Fauci has done a very good job of telling us where we stand. The media has used him like a ping-pong ball and that's pretty sad.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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I get schizophrenia from smoking pot. But I also know people who get it who've never been pot heads. Something about THC is at the center of this. And also something about age. I used to be able to smoke as much as I wanted and just enjoy it, then one day it started making me crazy.. and I kept smoking for a few years and truly lost my mind. I've heard this story countless times... something (usually around age 20) j…

Did your symptoms disappear when you stopped using it?

It took a while, but yes. And they come back if I smoke again.

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Sort of sounds like me a decade ago. If you find yourself still doing the same job in a decade, I think you'll know why. Tech jobs are very compatible with weed. The sort of tactical, short term thinking you need to apply current knowledge to problems works well. It's great for crafting clever, short-term solutions and hacking your way through things. If that's all you ever want to be, smoke weed everyday man, why no…

I am not a grower and have moved up consistently in my career over the last decade from IT helpdesk to devops lead, with a company that’s profitable, and currently many rounds of demos deep with two very big businesses I can’t even tell you what industry we’re in that’s how new and weird this tech is. Sounds like you made being high your identity. To me it’s like coffee (which I drink sparingly as caffeine messes me…

> Sounds like you made being high your identity.

Nope. I always despised the 'smoke it 420' subculture. I just go full bore into my interests and weed was one of them. It was a coping mechanism for my bipolar disorder, attentional issues, and a bad marriage. It also felt really fucking great. The good feelings helped blind me to the things it was affecting negatively. I went for years missing out on simple things like having vivid dreams. Hell, after I quit, I started getting morning wood again. I'm all for legalization and letting people choose, but I feel like the 'marketing' on weed is a little too positive these days so I like to share my perspective.

Good for you for keeping it under control. For a lot of the people I knew, that wasn't generally the case.

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Sort of sounds like me a decade ago. If you find yourself still doing the same job in a decade, I think you'll know why. Tech jobs are very compatible with weed. The sort of tactical, short term thinking you need to apply current knowledge to problems works well. It's great for crafting clever, short-term solutions and hacking your way through things. If that's all you ever want to be, smoke weed everyday man, why no…

> It really sucks when mid-life comes and you realize your skills won't carry you another 20 years, or that there's a whole generation of kids coming to either push you up the corporate ladder or push you out on the streets. Surely we all see that happen to most people, including non-users? I think you are creating a narrative about pot use, and you are ignoring correlation.

Sure, I just think the issue is more likely to happen if you're breezing through middle age while high.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Using a throwaway account for this. It is hard to write this because of the bad memories it brings back but I hope my experience can help you without you having actually experience it. About 1 in 200 people have experienced schizophrenia at least once in their life so plausibly 1 in 200 comments you read on HN is by someone who has experienced it. My comments is one of those comments. I was in gifted classes in high-school, got a bachelors degree in college, earn a middle-class salary, and saved up enough to buy a home. Stimulant medication helped turn my ADHD from a handicap to an asset. It helped me stay focused and achieve that.

I’ve found that every single time I smoke marijuana there is a synergistic effect with the ADHD stimulant medication that is left in my system and I get the effects of Schizophrenia. It might just be serotonin syndrome but that’s just as bad. I don’t have any family history of schizophrenia whatsoever but people with ADHD are 5x more likely to develop schizophrenia. However, if it is non-reoccurring, according to the DSM-IV, it doesn’t yet count as schizophrenia.

I think my episode was triggered by all of the following things combined: “marijuana, stimulant medication synergy, fear of Covid-19 anarchy in the streets (hey! It was a valid fear for a little while!), drinking alcohol too frequently reduced the logic and judgement side of my brain, seeing the scary side of Instagram Reels shows when it knows you’re behind a VPN, not getting enough sleep due to heavy work deadlines, the scare mail I was received about various deaths, the news reports of all of the deaths in news, and a darn drone that hovered over my house for too long at the wrong time.

Fortunately there is good medication that knocks the schizophrenia out. Highly effective stuff. Both Olanzapine and Quetiapine Fumarate work excellent at stopping the schizophrenia in it’s tracks and getting your sleep back on track. However I was resistant at first to take medication or trust advice. I had experienced a total breakdown of trust in the world. The fear side of my brain had totally hijacked and overrode the logic side of my brain. My amygdala overrode my frontal cortex and I was focused on survival. I didn’t know what paranoia was legitimate and what was overblown. For one, which I mention with a heavy sigh, I didn’t know if my loved ones were agents that just looked like my friends..

I philosophize that paranoid schizophrenia is caused by fear while catatonic schizophrenia is caused by both fear and a lack of trust.

When I questioned my two loved ones independently and their stories matched up, I thought that the odds I was the crazy person was high. I was then willing to talk to a general practitioner and a psychiatrist and they gave me those prescriptions I mentioned above. Just tell them you that you’ve been paranoid, want to be lightly tranquilized, and want to catch up on your sleep.

I’m happy to say I have not had any relapses into schizophrenia since then! But I had to distanced myself away from my friends that smoked marijuana to do that because it influenced me to smoke too. I couldn’t do that though until I had made new friends in person first which hasn’t been easy… and still isn’t easy. My primary goal for 2021 is to make more close friends.

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