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Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by pkaye »

throwaway4good wrote: post #28
mc32 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do incarcerate a lot, however, keep in mind some of it has to do with the dismantling of the equally problematic mental health institutions beginning in the late sixties. Lots of people who would better be served in psychiatric units are housed in regular prisons.

You also over-incarcerate black men by a factor of XXX - hardly you can use the excuse of lack of psychiatric units there.

Do they keep similar incareration statistics for UK, France, Germany, etc? I'd like to see if there is works there.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by perl4ever »

mc32 wrote: post #20
minikites wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People harp on China or North Korea being police states but the United States incarcerates more people per capita than any other nation by a significant margin. The US justice system is rife with discrimination and the prison conditions are dire (as you point out). People should absolutely not be extradited to the USA until this changes.

We do incarcerate a lot, however, keep in mind some of it has to do with the dismantling of the equally problematic mental health institutions beginning in the late sixties. Lots of people who would better be served in psychiatric units are housed in regular prisons.

>Lots of people who would better be served in psychiatric units are housed in regular prisons.

You know, people always say this, but they never think of things from the point of view of all the people in mental wards who are not criminals and are defenseless.

Also, modern mental wards do not house anyone for very long. So they just aren't applicable for long term housing.

People who are arrested do sometimes end up in psychiatric units temporarily, and once they are "stabilized" then they get back into the legal system.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by pkaye »

throwaway4good wrote: post #28
mc32 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do incarcerate a lot, however, keep in mind some of it has to do with the dismantling of the equally problematic mental health institutions beginning in the late sixties. Lots of people who would better be served in psychiatric units are housed in regular prisons.

You also over-incarcerate black men by a factor of XXX - hardly you can use the excuse of lack of psychiatric units there.

Looks like UK has a similar over-incarceration disparity though.

> People from BAME (black, Asian and minority ethnic) backgrounds constitute only 14% of the general population in England and Wales, but make up 25% of its prison population

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_populati...

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by hermannj314 »

stormdennis wrote: post #61

America shouldn't be allowed to extradite and prosecute people who have not committed crimes in America. They'd never allow it in reverse. Also the justice system there doesn't inspire confidence.

In 1985, the US extradited John Demjanjuk to Israel for crimes he committed in Poland.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by bagacrap »

argonaut wrote: post #122
anonymousDan wrote: post #89

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Yes - my understanding is she was the wife of a spoon and didn't have diplomatic immunity? I agree perhaps there is more to it, but still it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

There are conflicting reports on her diplomatic immunity and whether she was still employed as a spy (she was definitely employed by the US govt at the time, and as a spy in the past). So it's not as simple as saying she didn't have it or she lied about it. Looks to me like a complicated legal matter. At least the US State Dept position is that she did have diplomatic immunity.

what is the point of diplomatic immunity? surely it's not intended to grant the right to murder/manslaughter

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by nceqs3 »

dathinab wrote: post #6

As far as I can tell US prisons (in generally, not necessary all but I think most) are basically a heap of human right violations. In that context I think extraditing anyone to the US should be treated as a human right violation and as such should not be done. And even if we ignore their prisons from a German Law POV a lot of their law is fundamentally in conflict with the values represented by the constitution and m…

Cause UK prisons are so much nicer?

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Post by MichaelZuo »

bagacrap wrote: post #165
argonaut wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are conflicting reports on her diplomatic immunity and whether she was still employed as a spy (she was definitely employed by the US govt at the time, and as a spy in the past). So it's not as simple as saying she didn't have it or she lied about it. Looks to me like a complicated legal matter. At least the US State Dept position is that she did have diplomatic immunity.

what is the point of diplomatic immunity? surely it's not intended to grant the right to murder/manslaughter

That’s exactly the point since otherwise there would be more opportunities for false flag attacks on, or by, diplomats overriding a non absolute immunity.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by jen20 »

OJFord wrote: post #33
jen20 wrote: post #31

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> Is that bad or unusual? Unusual, I don't know. Bad, yes, absolutely.

Why? It's not obvious to me.

It's not obvious why it's bad that anyone can be shipped off to another country (potentially with a much worse criminal justice system than their home) without any evidence being presented..?

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Post by MichaelZuo »

_se wrote: post #129
NiceWayToDoIT wrote: post #76

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Maybe I don't as it must be some very sophisticated fraud when checking all in the following list they missed something like that. " Corporate attorneys generally review all the company’s financial information from the last five years, including income statements, balance sheets, cash flow and audit reports. Other financial documents that may be reviewed include projections, budgets and forecasts for the financials o…

Yes, and the entire point of this type of fraud is to deceive this exact process. The fraudster knows what due diligence is going to be performed.

Presumably the folks regularly involved in the closing of 11 figure deals are capable of sniffing out deception. Though maybe the HP board cheaped out and hired the B team instead?

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by dheera »

bhelkey wrote: post #117
dheera wrote: post #82

"He denies allegations that he fraudulently inflated the value of Autonomy before the sale." Don't most startup founders fraudulently inflate the value of their startups? "We are going after a 100 billion dollar market" Yeah right ... only a tiny fraction of that market wants your product.

> "We are going after a 100 billion dollar market" IANAL - That doesn't sound like fraud to me. A highschool athlete saying 'they are going after attending the Olympics' isn't lying. A highschool athlete without Olympic experience saying 'they won a gold medal at the Olympics is lying.

The difference is that athlete actually has a plan to at least try for the Olympics, and could conceivably get to the goal.

The 100 billion dollar market will never be conquered by one company, and the pain point they are trying to solve often only applies to 1%-10% of that market and they know that, or they're BSing themselves.

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