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Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by jhanschoo »

hjhhvcxx wrote: post #15
schappim wrote: post #7

This data is old, and the title is inaccurate. Today in Sydney (22/7/21, 11:01 am) we had: - 85K tests - 124 cases - 48 in community whilst infectious (39%) For those interested in Australian COVID-19 data, this site is pretty good: https://www.covid19data.com.au/

Lockdowns haven't been shown to be effective in stopping the disease, only in delaying it while incurring economic damage. This on top of the absolute destruction of liberty over 124 cases of a disease with a 2% hospitalization rate and less than 1% fatality rate across all ages and heavily slanted towards old, fat, and diabetic people, in a city with millions, is an absolute tragedy for freedom and it's frankly absu…

I'm sorry, but naively, delaying is doing plenty. That much more people who get vaccinated before getting infected is that much less opportunity for the virus to mutate, or so it seems to me.

Whether on this case it is worth it is debatable, but I disagree with your opinion that it is absolutely not worth it.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by chhxxhh »

SwiftyBug wrote: post #18
hjhhvcxx wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdowns haven't been shown to be effective in stopping the disease, only in delaying it while incurring economic damage. This on top of the absolute destruction of liberty over 124 cases of a disease with a 2% hospitalization rate and less than 1% fatality rate across all ages and heavily slanted towards old, fat, and diabetic people, in a city with millions, is an absolute tragedy for freedom and it's frankly absu…

Maybe I'm too dumb to follow your logic, but what interest do these governments have in locking down entire states again?

Voters approve of lockdowns, especially when they get WFH as part of the deal. It's the young people and poor who really get screwed. Governments don't have any other solutions even though we don't really know how effective they are long term or what the exit strategy is.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by tomjen3 »

xuki wrote: post #2

Australia have never had a "real" outbreak so if they don't have restrictions, covid will rip through the population like it did in other countries in 2020. Vaccination rate is not great, I guess Australia will be in and out of lock down until a certain percentage of the population is fully vaccinated.

It will rip through them so much worse because it is Delta and they have fewer people with natural immunity.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by bananapub »

hjhhvcxx wrote: post #15
schappim wrote: post #7

This data is old, and the title is inaccurate. Today in Sydney (22/7/21, 11:01 am) we had: - 85K tests - 124 cases - 48 in community whilst infectious (39%) For those interested in Australian COVID-19 data, this site is pretty good: https://www.covid19data.com.au/

Lockdowns haven't been shown to be effective in stopping the disease, only in delaying it while incurring economic damage. This on top of the absolute destruction of liberty over 124 cases of a disease with a 2% hospitalization rate and less than 1% fatality rate across all ages and heavily slanted towards old, fat, and diabetic people, in a city with millions, is an absolute tragedy for freedom and it's frankly absu…

what are you talking about? covid is basically extinct in NZ and Australia due to...lockdowns.

if you are not very familiar with what has happened in those two countries specifically then it's best not to make foolish generlisations.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by cdumler »

bananapub wrote: post #24
hjhhvcxx wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdowns haven't been shown to be effective in stopping the disease, only in delaying it while incurring economic damage. This on top of the absolute destruction of liberty over 124 cases of a disease with a 2% hospitalization rate and less than 1% fatality rate across all ages and heavily slanted towards old, fat, and diabetic people, in a city with millions, is an absolute tragedy for freedom and it's frankly absu…

what are you talking about? covid is basically extinct in NZ and Australia due to...lockdowns. if you are not very familiar with what has happened in those two countries specifically then it's best not to make foolish generlisations.

> what are you talking about?

This is a very strong narrative in the U.S. media to excuse the fact that we had a chance to do the right thing but didn't. When the political leadership realized that we were utterly unprepared and the Trump presidency would refuse to act in a meaningful way and Republicans would never accept blame for being in power without a solution, it had to turn into "it wasn't a solution and it just hurt economy." This is despite the in-your-face fact that many countries successfully used lockdowns to stop COVID in its tracks.

You have to realize that there is tremendous amount of censorship going on in the U.S. by a lack of reporting in general media. COVID is the ultimate in confirmation bias porn and is making the media companies lots of clicks. Many Americans are now addicted to various narratives on all sides; and, if they see something that contradicts their position they immediately throw the narrative out and/or straw man you that you're on the other side.

I can say that many of us Americans lament that freedom once meant "the ability to work together as we each see fit for the good ourselves and the common of good of the next generation" and now freedom equates to narcissistic goals at any justification and cost.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by alkonaut »

If you are an isolated island then at least you have a chance to do something like what Australia is trying . You don’t have hundreds of thousands of border crossing work commuters and truck drivers who would drive through any “closed” border like e.g in the EU or between US states.

And given the less-than-spectacular vaccine rollout, you can probably justify lockdowns that just delay the pandemic by a month or so, since a month is a huge number of vaccinated people. Also since Australia didn’t get a round of natural infection from the previous virus variants, they are looking at the full R of the delta variant without the reduction multiplier of e.g 0.7 that a country with 30% antibodies would have a (assuming no reinfections and neutralizing immunity which is optimistic). Delta could easily overwhelm healthcare without lockdowns there.

That said, I’d expect there to be a pretty vivid debate about what the cost (in lives, and money which is also eventually lives if it’s public money) is of the lockdowns.

Because other than the delay argument - which is valid - locking down to prevent a few thousand dead isn’t sensible or logical unless the same should happen for a bad flu season.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by schappim »

SwiftyBug wrote: post #19
schappim wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Low vaccination was because we backed the wrong horse (AstraZeneca) for the right reasons (more mature tech). When we had to about face, the alternates were not readily available. :-(

What do you mean with "the wrong horse"? AstraZeneca is an effective vaccine and it's available as much as the others.

You are right, AstraZeneca is an effective vaccine against COVID-19, but the extremely low instances of blood clotting have caused our regulatory bodies to limit its use to the over 60s.

If you’re younger you can (and are highly encouraged to) speak with your health professional and still obtain it.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by schappim »

hjhhvcxx wrote: post #15
schappim wrote: post #7

This data is old, and the title is inaccurate. Today in Sydney (22/7/21, 11:01 am) we had: - 85K tests - 124 cases - 48 in community whilst infectious (39%) For those interested in Australian COVID-19 data, this site is pretty good: https://www.covid19data.com.au/

Lockdowns haven't been shown to be effective in stopping the disease, only in delaying it while incurring economic damage. This on top of the absolute destruction of liberty over 124 cases of a disease with a 2% hospitalization rate and less than 1% fatality rate across all ages and heavily slanted towards old, fat, and diabetic people, in a city with millions, is an absolute tragedy for freedom and it's frankly absu…

The data (cases, hospitalisation and deaths) would not support this claim.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

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Post by zuccs »

chhxxhh wrote: post #22
SwiftyBug wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm too dumb to follow your logic, but what interest do these governments have in locking down entire states again?

Voters approve of lockdowns, especially when they get WFH as part of the deal. It's the young people and poor who really get screwed. Governments don't have any other solutions even though we don't really know how effective they are long term or what the exit strategy is.

What country are you from? The Premier in the video has been anti-lockdown for the entire pandemic. And now you're claiming they are power hungry for more lockdowns? Sorry but you clearly have no context what is going on here.

Re: Australia: 82K tests, 111 cases, 1 death, 900.000 people locked down

#30

Post by plugger »

hjhhvcxx wrote: post #15
schappim wrote: post #7

This data is old, and the title is inaccurate. Today in Sydney (22/7/21, 11:01 am) we had: - 85K tests - 124 cases - 48 in community whilst infectious (39%) For those interested in Australian COVID-19 data, this site is pretty good: https://www.covid19data.com.au/

Lockdowns haven't been shown to be effective in stopping the disease, only in delaying it while incurring economic damage. This on top of the absolute destruction of liberty over 124 cases of a disease with a 2% hospitalization rate and less than 1% fatality rate across all ages and heavily slanted towards old, fat, and diabetic people, in a city with millions, is an absolute tragedy for freedom and it's frankly absu…

yea, nah. Western Australia has completely proven hard snap lockdowns work. We even had community spread of Delta from the NSW outbreak around a month ago. I'm typing this in the office without a mask because we quashed the outbreak. Our state government posted a budget surplus last FY as our economy is booming because we don't have community spread of Covid.

I'm sorry, but your take is just incorrect and worthy of downvoting.

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