"heavy use of the drug" ... shocker! problems arise in people woth substance abuse problem's :/
People with Schizophrenia may abuse drugs (at up to an 8% rate for marijuana).
:O
Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds
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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds
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I am pro legalization because I think people should get to make their own decisions about what they put in their own bodies, but I definitely agree that this aspect of marijuana use is somewhat downplayed by many of its advocates. Anecdotally, I have seen several marijuana-using friends go down the tubes. One became extremely paranoid to the point he was unable to maintain relationships with the people around him (be…
"One became extremely paranoid to the point he was unable to maintain relationships with the people around him" I would bet you anything that this person was using a high-potency grade of cannabis and/or smoking a lot of it. If they just used a little bit of a low-potency strain it's unlikely they would have suffered from paranoia. "several others became extremely unpleasant and irritable when they weren't high on th…
Well, they used to be nicer before they started smoking a lot. Then they developed a newer, more irritable personality, which only lifted when they were high. In my experience the same sort of thing can happen with alcoholics.
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Sort of sounds like me a decade ago. If you find yourself still doing the same job in a decade, I think you'll know why. Tech jobs are very compatible with weed. The sort of tactical, short term thinking you need to apply current knowledge to problems works well. It's great for crafting clever, short-term solutions and hacking your way through things. If that's all you ever want to be, smoke weed everyday man, why no…
There's a line from the show "Suits" that really highlights your point I think. Essentially the show is about this wunderkind who conned his way into becoming a lawyer at a top firm. He smokes weed, and the partner at the firm wants him to quit. The partner explains "It's okay if you want to smoke weed. But that's what weed smokers do. They smoke. If you want to do other things, like work at this firm, you've gotta q…
this is a meaningless tautology
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Anecdote: My half-sister is a diagnosed schizophrenic and life-long weed smoker. It seems to me (and her doctors agree) that the two are absolutely related. She was likely predisposed to schizophrenia (because of her father - which we don't share) but I often wonder if it would have progressed the way it did absent the heavy smoking. I say this also as a pot smoker myself (but only lightly in the past decade or so).…
I am sorry to say that you are most likely right. My father is[0] a psychiatrist in big psychiatric hospital in France (1500 beds, only psychiatry, nothing else) and he told me again and again that he was against the legalisation of marijuana because of this. The problem is that once you trigger schizophrenia you need to live with it, all your life... Note that he told me so, even if his work during the last 15 years…
So your father is for imprisoning people, gang violence, and the overall cartel drug system, because a few people will develop schizophrenia -- The question isn't marijuana or no marijuana, it's marijuana vs all the problems with prohibition.
Also, there's a fundamental right to self medicate.
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Since we are in anecdotal territory, let me state that I’ve been a heavy smoker since I was 13, and I’m 46 now. I find it difficult to concentrate on coding without weed. I have a very low resting heart rate and enjoy hill climbs on my bicycle and am quite fit, motivated, and not lazy, etc. I generally suffer exclusively the singular negative effect of others finger wagging and disapproval of a rather pleasurable fun…
I would be astonished if, in tracking your first tokes of the day on a heart rate monitor, you didn't get around 20bpm faster. While feeling great, I'm sure! I'm not saying for an instant that it's dangerous or bad, but "relaxing", well not in any straightforward way. A practical application of this is to suggest that those who want to use cannabis for a good night;s sleep, get started two or three hours before bedti…
"I'm a lot more sensitive now and sometimes it gives me panic attacks"
Have you tried using the minimal amount of very low-potency weed?
In my experience negative effects like paranoia and panic attacks come from overdose, either by using high-potency weed and/or smoking too much.
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#336I think part of the problem is that people are using the wrong stuff. My personal preference is for milder balanced strains that are about 50% CBD, or CBD-only strains. The THC-only strains tend to have been bred to be strong and if you are not careful, many will trigger anxiety etc. CBD modulates or stops this effect. Often you can repair a problematic THC-only strain by mixing it 1:1 or 1:2 with CBD.
If you live in a legal jurisdiction, please do try a balanced and/or cbd-only strain if you are someone who has had problems with anxiety from many thc-only strains.
Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds
#337The only thing I can reasonably conclude from this study is that more schizophrenics are using marijuana because marijuana is more available than it used to be. I see no evidence of an increase in the absolute number of schizophrenics relative to the availability of cannabis. Who funded this, the DEA?
Link to the study:https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...
I love that they think that smoking weed is causal to schizophrenia...but aren't considering the opposite.
Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds
#338I smoked weed the first time when I was 15 or so. A buddy of mine bought some from a friend of a friend. And we continued to smoke mostly on weekends for years. I stopped right around college in 2007 or so. Then a year or so ago I smoked some legal weed from a dispensary. And that shit almost killed me. I was nauseated and sweating and I vomited repeatedly for like two hours. And I couldn’t control my thoughts. They…
You smoked "4 puffs from a bong" which is a _lot_ of weed for someone who is essentially cold turkey.
The whole anecdote that weed is _exceptionally_ stronger than it used to be in the past is not well proven. In the 70's people were alleging weed is 20x stronger than in the 60s, in the 80s alleging it was 7x stronger than in the 70s. In the 90's alleging it was 40x stronger than the 80s. And so on. People repeat it because someone goes from cold turkey to sucking down a huge toke from a vape pen in 2021 and get high as balls, not taking into account they probably vaped the equivalent of a whole joint in one action.
Its a trope that's never been born out by any real data.
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To me it's about as strong as the correlation between schizophrenia and _any_ use of psychedelics. THC's effects have more in common with a psychedelic than they do an analgesic or stimulant. It's not a body drug, even if it sometimes makes you feel that way. If we legalized psilocybin nationwide, I would bet money that these kinds of studies would show "correlations" in schizophrenia use among those who have taken m…
I've always found that psychedelics are a far far different experience than THC, do you have anything to back this up other than "they both make you sorta hallucinate"?
The psychedelic effects of pot usually come from using edibles or smoking high potency preparations like hash.
The effects also vary from person to person, and even in the same person at different stages of their life.
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Same experience with a (art) therapist in a mental hospital (less than 1500 beds). Very persistent in asserting that weed causes some people to end up there. I don't think it's a good argument against legalization. We don't ban alcohol, because there are alcoholics. I think it would be smarter to regulate the recreational drug industry and use its taxes to fund relevant education, research and mental health programme…
You can drink a bit too much with 18 during a year and nicely recover. With marijuana, you smoke a bit too much during a year and you are good for life. This is why I totally understand the point of view of the therapists having to deal with the long term effects on these unlucky people. Both sides have good arguments, one cannot ignore them, only trade-offs to accept one way or another.
Nope. My first girlfirend's father had a life-long schizophrenia triggered with a short series of binge drinking when he was 18 (!!!) and never touched weed or anything else.
Case point 1 but simple fact is, tons of people have some sort of predisposition to some form of mental illness. Wife is a doctor and she nicely sums it up - its not binary, tons of folks having miserable life are in scale 1-10 somewhere in lower part of one or the other mental illness (or more). Bipolar, OCD, ADHD, schizophrenia, etc., you name it. She deals with them daily.
For some, weed could trigger it. For some, some other drug or some big shock (close relative death, accident, violent crime etc). Since we don't ban the rest, banning the weed is just cargo culting due to US policies re hippies from Nixon era, enforced globally due to UN treaties. Which led to ridiculous situations where places like India or Nepal having marihuana as holy flower of god Shiva for literally thousands of years, using it to celebrate him, and suddenly had to ban it... at least on paper. Because bureaucracy.
Your father is not a good reference for this topic, its often a sad story when such people are asked to make policies that govern us all. They are always 'too deep' in the problem, see only the worst cases, so inevitably for them its the source of all evil and extremely dangerous. They don't know how happy, connected with nature and universe one can feel, how sex can be 10x better than best one he ever had, and orgasm can be literal nuke in your cranium, by far the strongest experience in ones life. Or tons of other, positive effects if not used in excess.
Ask doctors who work on alcohol rehab clinics whether it should be banned. Most will say definitely, and those who don't simply because they use it to self-medicate depression. And that is only because its socially acceptable drug, although way more destructive than weed could ever be.