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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Note that cannabis sold in the danish black market is of unknown quality. No one knows what strain they're getting even in terms of indica/sativa as well as THC/CBD mix. It is mostly illegally shipped from Marocco or Albania. Sometimes it is also dusted with synthetic cannabinoids.

That said, I would love more research on the topic as it is a wild west right now.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Yes. Typically when I was young, you kept smoking until you reached the desired level of intoxication then stopped. Do people do it differently now?

Exactly. The narrative of the "stronger, more dangerous(!) weed" falls short because consumers have always, and will always, micro-dose. That's just the human way to do it. You don't drink 1l of water when you are thirsty, you drink until the body tells you it is enough. You don't eat until the food is empty (ok well, sometimes we do..), you eat until you are full. I find it disappointing the same'ol propaganda reapp…

That's very much not universal. Some people use moderation, some people go crazy on it. It's always been that way, for anything. There are drinkers who will have a couple of drinks, get pleasantly buzzed, and enjoy their evening, and there's people who get completely smashed every time. Same thing for food--over 40% of Americans are obese now.

It would be very surprising if there weren't (at least) a substantial minority of weed-smokers who have trouble knowing when to stop.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

The study is also highly sensitive to the way drug use disorders are classified by behavioral health professionals, particularly due to the changing criteria of various DSM editions. I’d want to look at the underlying dataset to see if they’ve properly accounted for exogenous effects like that.

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Same experience with a (art) therapist in a mental hospital (less than 1500 beds). Very persistent in asserting that weed causes some people to end up there. I don't think it's a good argument against legalization. We don't ban alcohol, because there are alcoholics. I think it would be smarter to regulate the recreational drug industry and use its taxes to fund relevant education, research and mental health programme…

You can drink a bit too much with 18 during a year and nicely recover. With marijuana, you smoke a bit too much during a year and you are good for life. This is why I totally understand the point of view of the therapists having to deal with the long term effects on these unlucky people. Both sides have good arguments, one cannot ignore them, only trade-offs to accept one way or another.

Still better than death due to alcohol.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Prevalence of smoking tobacco is also dramatically higher among schizophrenic people [0]. Before marijuana use is demonized for causing schizophrenia, it would be worthwhile to more robustly prove these results. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19794359/

Nicotine modulating the hyperactive dopaminergic activity of schizophrenics I recall being one hypothesis for this remarkable connection. 90% of schizophrenics smoked tobacco compared to 20% of non-schizophrenics in 2006![0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia_and_tobacco_smok...

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

Either way, it’s not really a risk I want to take

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That just sounds like people in their 20s in general, even without weed. Marijuana might make it seem worse because stupid ideas sound much more profound when we're high

I agree with this. I hang out at this one bar and this 22 year old I talk to really thinks he "gets it." Incredibly cocky and arrogant a lot of times. He's fun to talk to but when he get's on a major BS kick I gotta tune him out. I'm only 5 years older than him but the contrast in experiences is stark to say the least. It really makes me wonder if I was ever that arrogant too.

“When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”

― Mark Twain

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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CO also in weed smoke is a hell of a lot more harmful than CO2.

I think the evidence of the amount of replies arguing against my comment above goes to show the amount of people that still think weed smoke vs tobacco smoke is still a legitimate argument against "weed smoke is bad for your lungs." It's really funny to see these universally come out of the woodwork every single time this gets brought up.

tobacco smoke is worse but obviously no smoke is good for lungs.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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>> In 1995, 2% of schizophrenia diagnoses in the country were associated with cannabis use disorder. In 2000, it increased to around 4%. Since 2010, that figure increased to 8%, the study found. Worded that way, causation isn't the first thing this suggests to me. If percentage of cases associated with marijuana rise, it could also be that a larger percentage of the population is smoking and admitting to smoking mari…

Anecdote: My half-sister is a diagnosed schizophrenic and life-long weed smoker. It seems to me (and her doctors agree) that the two are absolutely related. She was likely predisposed to schizophrenia (because of her father - which we don't share) but I often wonder if it would have progressed the way it did absent the heavy smoking. I say this also as a pot smoker myself (but only lightly in the past decade or so).…

People with schizophrenia-related disorders are likely to use substances to deal with the negative symptoms[1] of the disorders.

For example, there is a high correlation between having schizophrenia and consuming nicotine[2]:

> A strong association between schizophrenia and tobacco smoking has been shown in worldwide studies. Smoking is especially high in those diagnosed with schizophrenia, with estimates ranging from 80 to 90% being regular smokers, as compared to 20% of the general population. Those who smoke tend to smoke heavily, and additionally smoke cigarettes with high nicotine content.

I'd argue that nicotine use isn't a cause of schizophrenia, but an effect, as nicotine is reported to alleviate some people's schizophrenia symptoms.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Negative_symptom...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia#Prognosis

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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If you want to see mental health problems, force people into social isolation for 18months, tell them strangers can kill them by not hiding their faces, food and surfaces are contaminated, there is conspiracy to eugenicize them encoded in history books and symbols, words don't mean what they think they do, truth is what you make it, their neighbours are part of a plot, reinforce the filter bubbles of the information they consume, elevate and exalt unstable personalities, debase the media of the culture they trusted, reveal that their electronics are spying on them, and wait for it - then give them access to cheap and plentiful THC concentrates on every corner. How do you think that's going to play out? It's a perfect storm.

Some of my close friends are among what I call the professionally sane (they work in mental health) and they seem as susceptable to delusion and paranoia as anyone. I don't worry about being crazy anymore, as when you see what the bar is, I only need to be be less crazy than most of everyone else. 80th percentile is sufficient for most purposes. Post pandemic, mental health isn't something you manage or exercise, it's just a poker game.

Like a fox. ;)

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