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Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by capableweb »

acover wrote: post #67
stormdennis wrote: post #61

America shouldn't be allowed to extradite and prosecute people who have not committed crimes in America. They'd never allow it in reverse. Also the justice system there doesn't inspire confidence.

Edit: ignore me, I didn't know what I was talking about. Irrelevant information: The us has extradition treaties with many countries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_Unite...

> You are wrong

What do you mean "wrong"? They expressed an opinion, not a fact.

That you shouldn't be able to be extradited to a country you have nothing to do with, is something I agree with as well, but I wouldn't say it's "true". What is true today is that many countries have treaties to allow them to basically kidnap citizens of other countries. If you think that's good/bad, you should argue for one of those viewpoints, not necessarily if it's true/false.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by mjw1007 »

acover wrote: post #67
stormdennis wrote: post #61

America shouldn't be allowed to extradite and prosecute people who have not committed crimes in America. They'd never allow it in reverse. Also the justice system there doesn't inspire confidence.

Edit: ignore me, I didn't know what I was talking about. Irrelevant information: The us has extradition treaties with many countries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_Unite...

It does, but the question is whether the US would extradite one of its citizens for crimes they'd allegedly committed _while in the US_.

I don't see anything on that Wikipedia page that says it would.

The more usual case for extradition is for returning fugitives who have left the country where they allegedly committed the crime.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by colpabar »

advisedwang wrote: post #19

I'm glad to see white collar crime taken seriously. Its always painful to see billion dollar crimes go unpunished.

I want to agree, but the problem I have this particular case is that it seems that it's only being taken seriously only because the affected party is a massive US corporation. The US is going after someone from another country because he ripped off a bunch of rich people, but still, no one responsible for the 2008 financial crisis has been punished.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by plandis »

dathinab wrote: post #6

As far as I can tell US prisons (in generally, not necessary all but I think most) are basically a heap of human right violations. In that context I think extraditing anyone to the US should be treated as a human right violation and as such should not be done. And even if we ignore their prisons from a German Law POV a lot of their law is fundamentally in conflict with the values represented by the constitution and m…

Did I miss something? The person in question is a British national in the UK being asked to be extradited to the US.

What does Germany have to do with any of this?

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by LatteLazy »

_2d30 wrote: post #41
LatteLazy wrote: post #2

Frankly I don't think anyone should be extradited to the USA. I just have zero confidence in the US legal system. Prosecutions seem politically motivated. Punishments are unreasonably harsh (I suspect to drive plea deals over actual trials). The quality of your defence depends entirely on how much you have to spend. And there seems to be a weird bias making prosecution and conviction of foreigners more likely for no…

> Being down voted on HN is really annoying because it won't let you reply if your down voted. Even to replies to your comment. Thanks for your comments, I'll try and reply tomorrow! This is wildly untrue.

Is it?

I've been rate limited. Its taken me 60min of hitting reply to you to get this comment in How come that only happens when I have a down voted comment so I just assumed.

Error message: You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks.

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by NiceWayToDoIT »

_se wrote: post #63
NiceWayToDoIT wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That scenario looks fishy to me, even when you buying second hand car you do bit of exploration and for buying something with price tag of £11,000,000,000 well you dig a bit deeper, and due diligence is not just going to your financial statements and what is usually accessibly in UK publicly. During that process you dig trough everything, bank statements, expenses, salaries, earnings, revenue streams ... everything.…

I don't think you understand the complexity of this type of finance or the sophistication that's possible while committing fraud. These things are not necessarily simple to detect.

Maybe I don't as it must be some very sophisticated fraud when checking all in the following list they missed something like that.

" Corporate attorneys generally review all the company’s financial information from the last five years, including income statements, balance sheets, cash flow and audit reports. Other financial documents that may be reviewed include projections, budgets and forecasts for the financials of the next five years and assess whether they are reasonable. Finally, corporate attorneys generally review all credit agreements, debts and contingent liabilities. "

https://www.priorilegal.com/deals/mergers-acquisitions/manda...

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by macmac »

The US UK extradition treaty is a product of post 9/11 and comically imbalanced as persons may be extradited from the UK to the US for crimes committed in the UK which would be a crime in the US but not the opposite. See further: https://www.stokoepartnership.com/bambos-tsiattalou-discusse...

Re: Autonomy founder Mike Lynch can be extradited to US

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Post by acover »

mjw1007 wrote: post #72
acover wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: ignore me, I didn't know what I was talking about. Irrelevant information: The us has extradition treaties with many countries. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_Unite...

It does, but the question is whether the US would extradite one of its citizens for crimes they'd allegedly committed _while in the US_. I don't see anything on that Wikipedia page that says it would. The more usual case for extradition is for returning fugitives who have left the country where they allegedly committed the crime.

Sorry, I misunderstood.

> The treaty has been claimed to be one-sided[3] because it allows the US to demand extradition of British citizens and other nationals for offences committed against US law, even though the alleged offence may have been committed in the UK by a person living and working in the UK (see for example the NatWest Three), and there being no reciprocal right; and issues about the level of proof required to extradite from the UK to the US versus from the US to the UK.[4]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK–US_extradition_treaty_of_...

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