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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Anecdotal however cannabis has many compounds, The two main ones are: THC and CBD. If your using a strain that has high THC and not much in CBD. CBD being the compound to safe-guard, governor the effects of THC you end up in a trip that can spiral out of control causing negative effects. If you add a CBD strain to the mix. Which are high in CBD and contain trace amounts of THC to your normal method usage, these tend…

This matches my experience as someone who struggles with severe anxiety and intrusive/delusional thoughts. THC makes for a very bad time for me, but a high CBD edible calms down my mind and helps me temper those thoughts.

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This would not surprise me at all. But I'm curious to know if they got the causation backwards. Maybe people with schizophrenia just have a higher likelihood of smoking marijuana

I don't have links but read a lot on this years ago. There were multiple UK studies that connected genetic predisposition to mental health issues to increased drug use. They're just self medicating until it doesn't work anymore. IDK why it would be dramatically different for non-genetically predisposed victims.

IMO, drug use is a symptom and not the cause. That said, we didn't have 75% THC vape back in the day and now everyone is doing CBD with wonderful new Delta-8 and there's not a shred of research on it.

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I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

My experience is the exact opposite: 1) I would not suggest that marijuana use correlates with any particular behavior very much. 2) The only thing I have noticed in common among some heavy users was stereotypical stoner behavior, primarily forgetfulness and absent-mindedness. They are usually aware of this, which means it does not present as anything remotely like arrogance.

My experience and opinion are similar to yours. A typical stoner isn’t really there, and when they are there, it’s more of a questioning or socializing activity. Alcoholic behaviors are what I would describe as arrogance and extreme impairment.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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As usual, a sensational headline averring a research article's causal hypothesis, of which the PI even calls for reproducibility. Reading such paltry science articles makes me really appreciate papers like Quanta, whose reporters seem to actually have a semblance of domain knowledge. Indeed, no discussion of the existing link between schizophrenia and tobacco smoking, in conjunction with the increased availability of…

> of which the PI even calls for reproducibility

You mean like every study I've ever read? I can't recall the last time the conclusion didn't say something like, "In our study X appears to be associated with Y, but more research is needed to understand the relationship."

You're right, though, that this article leaves many questions unasked. We know that people who are schizophrenic are far more likely to smoke cigarettes, but there is evidence to suggest they're more likely to smoke before their first episode as well. So is tobacco causal? Probably not. Instead, there are probably precursor symptoms to diagnosable schizophrenia that drive tobacco use: anxiety being the main one. Anxiety and marijuana has already been studied with conflicting results, probably because it's hard to determine out whether people with anxiety are drawn to marijuana (or heavier usage) or whether heavy usage causes anxiety.

There are reasons to think marijuana use can cause schizophrenic episodes - sometimes a first episode - but that use may not increase the risk of developing the disorder when viewed in a 20-year window. In other words, it happens sooner. So according to the article the number of schizophrenia cases linked to cannabis use disorder increased by 4x. I'd like to know whether schizophrenia diagnoses overall changed significantly.

I am not saying there are no risks. But I am agreeing that the article does a bad job of analyzing the science.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Reminds me of the opening to this article by a journalist having a casual chat with this wife (a psychiatrist at a state mental institution) one evening where she stated in passing: Of course he’d been smoking pot his whole life.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/marijuana-mental-illness-viol...

I've been meaning to read further about that connection because like the author I had never heard of that idea before and everything before it was like taken to be Reefer Madness paranoia.

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Or maybe both are happening. Some people like the high from THC, which might make someone go in the direction of psychosis, it can be very stimulating. For people whith a background of psychosis, they might like the CBD part, which makes them relax and feel less stimulated and aroused.

I think any research about cannabis that fails to distinguish thc/cbd and other important phenotypical traits of the plant will ultimately go nowhere. Thc and cbd have diametrically opposing effects. Marijuana is not one substance it is many.

CBD with Delta-8 THC is all the unregulated rage now.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

Ask yourself why people smoke weed in the first place. It isn't because they're temperate and psychically/spiritually/morally in order. Weed stupefies and dulls a person to certain unwanted feelings, like guilt or anxiety. That isn't any more medicinal than alcoholism. In line with that, if what you write is true, it would be consistent with the idea that they have vices which cause them suffering which they then pro…

It may help if you asked yourself why you feel qualified to judge a bunch of people's minds.

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It is entirely possible that this is a misunderstanding of their true feelings or intents. To quote Kat Williams "Weed has a chemical in it called F*k it..." Maybe when they use they are not having the same anxious feeling that the general public feels and they do not react to others who otherwise might be perceived as "more important" than them. This would appear to the person who typically views themselves as "more…

> Every life has value...every person is equal. What was the point of that remark? Persons may be said to be of equal dignity , but no two people are ever equal, in value or otherwise. But what does that have to do with anything in this context? Are you reading things in? The OP was not making any point about rank, only haughty behavior which has no place no matter who you are.

It was a statement of my personal views. It is OK with me if you don't feel the same way.

I do feel everyone is equal in value. Possibly equally worthless depending on how you view humanity's place in the overall universal timescale.

Whenever you look at someone else and think they are being arrogant or self important...likely it is time to take a step back and think about why it is OK to think that they should not feel that way. Maybe they have good reason that day to feel self important :) Take it as a good opportunity to take a good look inside and realize...overall...it doesn't matter how other people view themselves.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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I've seen someone have a textbook psychotic break while consuming a lot of cannabis. Radio was sending them secret messages, coworkers were government spies, believed they were Jesus (and normally they'd been a confirmed atheist).

As soon as the cannabis consumption stopped, the psychosis stopped. They started smoking again, symptoms came back.

I'd also done some googling to try to understand why some people have panic attacks, and there seems to be a link to cannabis and hypoglycemia for some people. Hypoglycemia can cause: psychosis and panic attacks.

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Good point, I had in mind friends / acquaintances from 20s to 50s however.

yah I think there's something to this in an opportunity cost motivational angle. Basically there's a cost that comes to being in a high state which lowers your thresholds for profundity, satisfaction, deliciousness/appetite/taste. Basically with the thresholds all lowered one becomes satisfied with things that are objectively lesser quality, less demanding of effort and work. One would be equally satisfied eating jun…

Weed doesn't affect everybody the same. Not everyone is a stoner that gets high and says whoa dude on the couch.

I didn't perceive things as more profound rather the little voice of anxiety inside by head went away and for the first time in my life I was free to figure out who I was.

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