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Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about alcohol and tobacco usage as well. Tobacco usage in mentally ill has generally been higher. It could simply reflect over all trends in substance choices depending on availability. So many variables unaccounted for.

I've heard it on good authority that schizophrenics find nicotine/tobacco significantly ameliorates their symptoms - it can be a lesser evil for some.

I think it’s an acetylcholine agonist or something like that.

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I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

My experience with the substance is similar to yours. I’ve started again occasionally and see that the experience differs depending on the strain. I do get paranoia that wears off; there were times where I’ve experience schizophrenia like symptoms; where reality seems off or my perception of it changes temporarily until it wears off. Hopefully I don’t have early onset of the disorder.

Regarding your friends, is it possible that the behavior you are seeing is when they are under the influence and not during sober?

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

It is entirely possible that this is a misunderstanding of their true feelings or intents. To quote Kat Williams "Weed has a chemical in it called F*k it..."

Maybe when they use they are not having the same anxious feeling that the general public feels and they do not react to others who otherwise might be perceived as "more important" than them. This would appear to the person who typically views themselves as "more important" as arrogance or self importance...when in reality they are just mildly happy and don't care at that moment about the typical societal norms and ranking.

More than likely they are just going about their own business and not paying attention to how you are reacting to it. Every life has value...every person is equal.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Anecdotal however cannabis has many compounds, The two main ones are: THC and CBD.

If your using a strain that has high THC and not much in CBD. CBD being the compound to safe-guard, governor the effects of THC you end up in a trip that can spiral out of control causing negative effects.

If you add a CBD strain to the mix. Which are high in CBD and contain trace amounts of THC to your normal method usage, these tend to level out the percentages.

My take is this: If your not mentally fit, high THC can cause you to go off the edge compared to strains with lower amounts. The same can be said for Wine and the alcohol volume.

And I talk from personal experience from being in a psychosis episode caused by cannabis.

-- Edit: I have my own downvote brigade. Yay - Just seems odd that every post I post on HN gets down-voted.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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I think it's too common a sentiment that psychoactive substances like cannabis and psilocybin are harmless and in fact are good for mental health. I've had adverse mental reactions to both and I would caution people with family history of anxiety.

Maybe the people I've discussed this with are not representative, but it seems to me it's widely known that weed can lead to an anxiety event, and psychedelics are sometimes a frightening experience.

Usually you'll be back to normal the next day, but will have had a memorable experience, and sometimes mushrooms produce long-term relief from depression.

I'm definitely not an expert with this, but it seems to me it is often a good idea to take a chance with some carefully chosen drugs.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious about alcohol and tobacco usage as well. Tobacco usage in mentally ill has generally been higher. It could simply reflect over all trends in substance choices depending on availability. So many variables unaccounted for.

I've heard it on good authority that schizophrenics find nicotine/tobacco significantly ameliorates their symptoms - it can be a lesser evil for some.

Plus, if you're going to self-medicate by building a psychological addiction, there are worse substances to do it with than nicotine. I know many alcoholics, for example, who picked up tobacco in rehab. It might not be healthy, but it can be a bit less self-destructive to your personal life.

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This would not surprise me at all. But I'm curious to know if they got the causation backwards. Maybe people with schizophrenia just have a higher likelihood of smoking marijuana

Like cigarettes. It seems like it could be both self medication, but also have negative side effects too. Benzodiazepines are my favorite analogy.

Can you share that analogy? I take Benzodiazepam from time to time but never more than once every 3-4 months. Keen to learn a bit more. :)

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

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I can only speak from personal experience, which is of course limited. I smoked occasionally in my 20s, but not since (I'm middle-aged now). I've been friends and acquaintances with many people that smoke a lot. I see a trend among these people - not necessarily schizophrenia (I'm not a psychologist and probably wouldn't even notice a mild case) - but instead a consistent arrogance and self-importance. It's peculiar…

There is the persistent question: does this attract people who are a certain way or does it transform some people into being that way. But let's be clear, schizophrenia is not a personality trait.

Re: Schizophrenia linked to marijuana use disorder is on the rise, study finds

#29

I think it's too common a sentiment that psychoactive substances like cannabis and psilocybin are harmless and in fact are good for mental health. I've had adverse mental reactions to both and I would caution people with family history of anxiety.

A lot of marijuana smokers like to pretend weed smoke is somehow less harmful than any other smoke. It's still CO whether it comes from the tobacco or hemp plant. It's still bad and creates a tar residue in your lungs. Any time I bring that up, somehow I become anti-pot even though it's a genuine concern. Edit: Carbon Monoxide, not Carbon Dioxide. And some additions since this is a tad controversial. Here is one sour…

I don't think anyone who's serious doesn't think the act of burning organic matter and inhaling it is bad.

That being said, pot simply has a lot less stuff in it than tobacco smoke. Also, almost no one is smoking a pack of day of joints.

Fortunately there are other alternatives too, like sugar free candies.

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