Never have I been more disappointed that an article didn’t include video.
There are videos https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-93829-x
For those wondering, click the "supplementary information" on the navigation pane for videos.
First lethal attacks by chimpanzees on gorillas observed
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Re: First lethal attacks by chimpanzees on gorillas observed
#82> "Whether this behavior is due to competition for food or to the decline of the rainforest's productivity caused by climate change will now be investigated in more detail." Declaring the cause must be food competition or climate change seems a bit hasty? These are complex social animals. Given this is the only attack ever observed, it seems possible to me that there are a myriad of plausible one-off explanations. Pe…
You have to tie your research to the popular causes of the day. It would a bit far-fetched to tie it to gender and underrepresented minorities or online misinformation or covid, so the nearest possible "serious issue of our time" is climate change.
What on earth has happened to HN comments over the last couple of months? Every post I've opened today has had this same kind of "half-joking-but-not-really SJWs are bad" comment on something completely unrelated.
Re: First lethal attacks by chimpanzees on gorillas observed
#83I remember once watching a documentary on a roving band of chimpanzees, and thinking how human they looked. I was shocked when they attacked another band of chimpanzees and killed them all. However, I quickly overcame my shock. They were quite human indeed...
Even monkeys (those that are not apes) exhibit behavior that so powerfully human. One campus where I studied had many (curb the joke). This allowed enough opportunities to observe them. What moved me most, apart from their usual monkey business, is their display of quiet private tenderness towards their partner. That took me by surprise. Everyone has some personal experiences that they would remember because it chang…
What were your personal experiences?
Re: First lethal attacks by chimpanzees on gorillas observed
#84It begins.
Re: First lethal attacks by chimpanzees on gorillas observed
#85> "Whether this behavior is due to competition for food or to the decline of the rainforest's productivity caused by climate change will now be investigated in more detail." Declaring the cause must be food competition or climate change seems a bit hasty? These are complex social animals. Given this is the only attack ever observed, it seems possible to me that there are a myriad of plausible one-off explanations. Pe…
Yes, given the headline I expected a coordinated attack that wiped out an entire group of gorillas, not a couple of skirmishes. Chimpanzees will attack humans, including eating human children. I don't see why small encounters that result in one or two deaths would be totally unexpected.
> Chimpanzees will attack humans, including eating human children.
Do you have a source for this?
Re: First lethal attacks by chimpanzees on gorillas observed
#86Funny how all the people criticizing the science behind that article didn't do proper research themselves.
The Max Planck Society is a research organization with a steady, long-term funding through the German government that is organized in a bottom-up manner, meaning the directors of the various institutes can do pretty much whatever the fuck they want and decide about everything important in that organization. There are dozens of institutes doing research in virtually every research field. And yeah, lots of Nobel prizes. They really don't have to follow some political lead or short-term trends.
Just, you know, fyi (the other fyi, yes).
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
They are not declaring that. The proposed cause is a thesis that will be investigated further and could very well be disproven. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I'm not sure how the thesis could possibly be disproven. Interviews with the apes?
So because you don't know, it is impossible?
Re: First lethal attacks by chimpanzees on gorillas observed
#88> "Whether this behavior is due to competition for food or to the decline of the rainforest's productivity caused by climate change will now be investigated in more detail." Declaring the cause must be food competition or climate change seems a bit hasty? These are complex social animals. Given this is the only attack ever observed, it seems possible to me that there are a myriad of plausible one-off explanations. Pe…
> Perhaps a particular chimp or gorilla was having a really bad day and just went out looking for a fight.
Do chimps and gorillas do such things?
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Declaring the cause must be food competition or climate change seems a bit hasty? It's not a declaration, but a hypothesis that attempts to explain the observations according to prior knowledge. It "will now be investigated in more detail" to try and disprove it. That's bog standard scientific work. What's hasty is the easy dismissal of the opinion of experts on a subject most commenters here are probably unfamlia…
Science is a process. HN isn't anti-science. The scientific establishment is a group of people in various organizational structures and alliances. I'm part of that establishment, and I can say that it lies, exaggerates, and has become increasingly untrustworthy in the past decade or two: - The easiest way to get ahead in the scientific establishment is to fabricate politically-motivated results. - Competition is inte…
People lie. People who care more about getting their PhD and less about the actual research. Cause they don't have the integrity to not cheat. If you care about the actual research, why cheat.
And still if researchers would only care about getting funding, they'd all "prove" that them fucking democrats eat children cause man, would they get donations by them QAnon people.
And of course if you have a distinguished researcher in a field voicing a clear and educated guess/opinion, its worth much more then any random person commenting here ...
Re: First lethal attacks by chimpanzees on gorillas observed
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Perhaps a particular chimp or gorilla was having a really bad day and just went out looking for a fight. This doesn't necessarily contradict the food competition or climate change hypothesis. To the individual ape it might seem that he's just having a bad day, but then you could look at weather/food data and compare it to incidence of violence and see a causal relation. It would actually be surprising if those thin…
I know many humans who get very grumpy on an empty stomach.
How is the behavior of some random humans relevant here?