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I like the design where you must give reason for downvotes. This seems to discourage mindless downvotes.
Which community/platform has tried this?
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#142I've been saying twitter needs a downvote button for years. Only having like or retweet means there is only positive signal, so messages can only be amplified. Downvotes allow a signal to be de-amplified. Bravo.
It's naive to think that downvotes will cause something to be de-amplified, companies like Twitter know all too well how to use controversy and outrage to their advantage.
What are you talking about? It works effectively on HN and reddit and has for years.
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Reddit is not toxic if you agree with the majority views. If not it is probably the most toxic social media. So other views people leave and so reddit remains a bubble of like minded people that don't see their toxicity. You can just look at some popular subreddits like iata i am the asshole or idiotsincar or murdered by words, justiceserved to name a few and many other where people just laugh and are being toxic tow…
> Reddit is not toxic if you agree with the majority views. Different subreddits will have different majorities with different views, no? > toxicity ... toxic towars other people What does this mean? For example, if you are sitting inside your bubble and laughing at the outsiders, who don't even come to your bubble, is there any toxicity going on?
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> I did that quite a bit - and my voting rights where removed. When I asked by email my voting behavior was cited as trying to be controversial by upvoting already downvoted comments That's disappointing. I do the same actually. Not to cause controversy but, well, because sometimes I agree and try to vote honestly. Maybe there are malicious attempts that look the same from the server's perspective, but it's still wei…
I think there's two ways it can go, I don't know which was the case here but I can understand them being treated differently if this is what happened: * Upvoting comments because you think they are good comments, regardless of whether they are downvoted or not * Voting more for things that are downvoted than things that aren't, because you think the downvoting is unfair The former is just adding your vote to the pool…
I think it's very common and important for people to vote to undo downvotes. I do it. A single downvote can turn something gray and make it appear like an unpopular side of the discussion when it's not controversial at all except in the opinion of one downvoter on a mission or something. At the same time, I may otherwise be stingy with upvotes unless a contribution is especially deserving (or makes me laugh, of course, which always deserves a reward).
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Reddit is not toxic if you agree with the majority views. If not it is probably the most toxic social media. So other views people leave and so reddit remains a bubble of like minded people that don't see their toxicity. You can just look at some popular subreddits like iata i am the asshole or idiotsincar or murdered by words, justiceserved to name a few and many other where people just laugh and are being toxic tow…
> Reddit is not toxic if you agree with the majority views. Different subreddits will have different majorities with different views, no? > toxicity ... toxic towars other people What does this mean? For example, if you are sitting inside your bubble and laughing at the outsiders, who don't even come to your bubble, is there any toxicity going on?
> Different subreddits will have different majorities with different views, no?
Different subreddits do have different majority views, yes, but the largest subreddits all pretty much have the same ones.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#146The way users might benefit is if Twitter learns what users like and dislike and curate a feed based on these preferences. At the very least one could expect them to use it for the list of who to follow. One similar strategy would be how Reddit introduced a subreddit filter feature (which was previously only available in a 3rd party extension) to get metrics on which popular but disliked subreddit to quarantine. Thes…
Excellent, more bubbling.
I don’t see the post voting mechanism having much effect on bubbling. The problem with a filter bubble is not being aware you’re in it. If you’re aware, then it’s not a filter bubble. I think this comes from architecture, from Twitter’s presentation as one giant global conversation, as opposed to every post being made in the context of a distinct topic-based community. On Reddit you intentionally navigate from place to place, subculture to subculture. You’re less likely to mistake a certain political attitude as the new global norm, because you develop an understanding of which views and attitudes are common to which sub. Even if you only look at the front page, each post is clearly labelled as having come from a particular sub. Twitter in contrast presents itself as one single context for everything in your world, pushing the false idea that what you’re seeing is representative of what other people are seeing. That’s what’s behind the filter bubble effect, I think.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#147slashdot had this covered years ago. literally decades.
1. upvotes limited to +5.
2. votes categorized: funny, informative, insightful, etc.
3. number of votes limited per time frame and user karma.
4. meta-moderation: your votes (up/down both) were subject to voting (correct/incorrect). good score == more upvotes to spend.
and yet, simple trumps good. i was very happy to see parts of this implemented in steam reviews.
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#148I've wondered why Twitter seems far more toxic than Reddit (certain now-banned subreddits excluded) and I believe the downvote is a powerful tool used to achieve this, along with Reddit's community-style moderation, even though that can border on toxic itself at times. I wrote about it here a little while back https://unlikekinds.com/article/trolls-and-consequences-what...
Reddit's way of fostering communities likely helps. In twitter you're somewhat forced to talk to the same group of people at all times, especially now that tweets seem to be the main topic of discussion.
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I think Reddit might be fundamentally flawed because of its voting system and its need for high moderation to make it workable. Mods influence so much power over what people are and aren't allowed to talk about. You use the example of CasualUK which is indeed a very good if slightly "police state" sub but it only exists because the other UK subs became unviable. The old defence has always been "if you don't like it g…
> I think Reddit might be fundamentally flawed because of its voting system and its need for high moderation to make it workable. Perhaps. Or perhaps it's groups of people that are fundamentally flawed. > The only positive change i can think of is to cap active participants in a sub to a specific small number. Which would break a significant number of use cases of reddit. Whatsapp groups have no voting, typically pre…
> Perhaps. Or perhaps it's groups of people that are fundamentally flawed.
This is totally all there is to it. Also individual people for that matter. There was some twitter thread that was linked here recently that totally reminded me of a clique of vicious adolescents backstabbing someone in middle school. A side of humanity I hadn't seen in decades.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#150I've wondered why Twitter seems far more toxic than Reddit (certain now-banned subreddits excluded) and I believe the downvote is a powerful tool used to achieve this, along with Reddit's community-style moderation, even though that can border on toxic itself at times. I wrote about it here a little while back https://unlikekinds.com/article/trolls-and-consequences-what...
Personally, I think it's just because of subreddits:
- Well-moderated subreddits are bubbles of locally higher quality
- Discussions on one subreddit stay contained within it - each subreddit is also a social bubble
On Twitter, there's no quality standards moderation, and Tweets spread along the social graph, not within bounded communities. You may be discussing a niche topic with a group of like-minded friends, but it takes one asshole in your, or your friends', follower list, for your tweet to suddenly gain attention with a larger group of assholes, who then are free to inject themselves into the conversation.