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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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How about just light and dark? A lot of chessboards don't have strictly black and white colored pieces anyway. (For the record I think the whole thing is stupid)

"Light gray" is easy to misspell as "light gay", e.g. "light gay knight takes dark gay bishop". IMHO, it's better to use "wine" (w) and "blue" (b) as colors.

If you use English rather than American, you have "light grey" which is less ambiguous.

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Neglibot is nice. Dumbot works too...

IMHO, it's a case when a bug in an Artificial Intelligence system produces the Artificial Idiot, so "AIdiot", or "AdIot"

Perhaps Artificial Stupid System, you do the acronym yourself...

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

But the pieces would still be white and black. We just need to recolor them to a color that hasn't been claimed as part of an identity... (looks at rainbow flag) well, shoot...

Infrared-coating player and Ultraviolet-coating player? Chrome player vs. Brass player? No kidding, I like this last idea.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

How about just light and dark? A lot of chessboards don't have strictly black and white colored pieces anyway. (For the record I think the whole thing is stupid)

It would still be light-skinned pieces vs. dark-skinned pieces.

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> It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. It's not just something that happens to us, it's something we do. We need to do better rather than accepting it as inevitable, and let future generations worry about what the best name for it was. > Maybe there's a ten syllable German word that expresses it perfectly? That being s…

11 syllables, almost as requested ;) May I suggest “yacht-feet automation”? It focuses on increasing the yacht feet of Zuckerberg, and doesn’t do anything else right?

Jachtverlängerungsautomatisierung ;-)

Also 11 sylabels.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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That's just it though. Part of the definition of "algorithm" is "correct" and these things are all just ML output that generate correlated noise.

Hmm? I don't think an algorithm has to give "correct" answers, it just has to be precisely defined. For example, one could say "For this problem, a greedy algorithm yields decent but suboptimal answers." Merriam-Webster online says: "a procedure for solving a mathematical problem (as of finding the greatest common divisor) in a finite number of steps that frequently involves repetition of an operation" and "broadly :…

Algorithms solve problems. Wrong answers are not solutions to (i.e. do not solve) a given problem. Hence, algorithm implies that it provides correct answers within the parameters of the problem.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Agadmator, the person who made the video in question, also made a video soon after explaining the situation, and gave some hypotheses on why the video got taken down. In addition to the reason being hate speech, he suggested it may have been because they discussed Covid-19, lockdowns, etc, and YouTube was attempting to stop the spread of misinformation. The video I’m talking about is here: https://youtu.be/KSjrYWPxsG…

That adds some color to the situation but it's still worrisome that we're becoming so averse to misinformation that platforms are censoring the discussion of misinformation. This isn't going to help the misinformed. For a real world example: I was chatting with a close personal acquaintance who was semi-sympathetic to the Proud Boys privately via FB Messenger. They wouldn't believe me that the Proud Boys had a rule not to masturbate, so I tried to share a link from the PB website. Messenger wouldn't send the message, but didn't outright say it was banned content either. I tried again using an archive.org archive link to the page, same error: "Send failed. Operation could not be completed."

It seems weird to outright ban the discussion of certain things on public platforms, but even more weird to ban it within private chats.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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A friend of mine was banned for sending a chat message that said “this is a Mexican standoff” — the people in the room were both Mexican, if it matters.. we were all confused on why he was permanently banned.

Because it implies the Mexican race can’t resolve disputes without violence thus normalizing xenophobia.

Did you miss the part where everyone involved was Mexican?

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Or cooler heads prevail like at the Académie Française who recognize that sexual genders are completely unrelated to grammatical genders despite what activists try to say. So we may just get some people who push back and tell people that chess isn’t racist and it’s people who are injecting race where it doesn’t exist (such as here in chess) who are the problem.

Have cooler heads prevailed in this regard? “Progressive” Americans degendering Spanish by referring to Latino people as “Latinx” seems to be going as strong as ever, despite the protests of actual native Spanish speakers. In their haste to appear progressive, people who say “Latinx” are ironically engaging in linguistic colonialism, as it were.

> despite the protests of actual native Spanish speakers.

The only people I've ever seen mad about "Latinx" were American internet free speech advocates.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

It's easy to blame this on imperfect technology but I'm not so sure. Couple of months back when all tech companies started their holier than though publicity campaigns with token actions we faced the same issue.

"Blacklist" was banned as term because it was deemed racist. No matter that people understand black and white outside the race issue. So if blacklist is deemed by people , not technology, as racist; thus removing context from the equation, why is AI wrong to assume that "attack the black soldier in C4" is hate speech?

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