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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by waterhouse » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 8:45 AM UTC

swiley wrote: post #286

mellosouls wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite the same situation, but "Malgorithms" is used by Private Eye (British satirical/political magazine) to highlight adverts auto-generated inappropriately to accompany articles on news etc websites. Example: https://twitter.com/joshspero/status/562625460732174336

That's just it though. Part of the definition of "algorithm" is "correct" and these things are all just ML output that generate correlated noise.

Hmm? I don't think an algorithm has to give "correct" answers, it just has to be precisely defined. For example, one could say "For this problem, a greedy algorithm yields decent but suboptimal answers."

Merriam-Webster online says: "a procedure for solving a mathematical problem (as of finding the greatest common divisor) in a finite number of steps that frequently involves repetition of an operation" and "broadly : a step-by-step procedure for solving a problem or accomplishing some end".

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by thinkingemote » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 8:45 AM UTC

hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

How about "inhuman-ops" ?

I think this has the unnatural, unjust and just basic wrongness about using AI to be like humans.

"human-ops" is the justification to remove human pattern recognition because it's better for a small group of employees (e.g. "we cant let our expensive staff view flags of distressing pictures or boring chess videos, so we will get an algorithm instead". The tech companies HR say that this is pro mental health as an additional way to justify this change and any unemployment.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by formerly_proven » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 8:48 AM UTC

wolpoli wrote: post #230

hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

I would call it an "algorithmic oopsies" for the inevitable non-apology when the situation appears on the front page of a major news outlet.

> Ooopsie woopsie! Our AI made a fucky wucky and locked your account for no reason lol. We pwomise nothing pls go away and die uwu PS: If you make a new account we gonna shadowban iwt immediately lmao, if you have any compwaints please write a letter and addwess it to the hospital you were born in.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by qmmmur » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 8:55 AM UTC

mellosouls wrote: post #131

hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Not quite the same situation, but "Malgorithms" is used by Private Eye (British satirical/political magazine) to highlight adverts auto-generated inappropriately to accompany articles on news etc websites. Example: https://twitter.com/joshspero/status/562625460732174336

If you coined this it's great!

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by Izkata » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 8:56 AM UTC

kbelder wrote: post #193

colordrops wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the tell here? I've had people dead serious tell me that the US government is racist for making the lowest value coin brown and putting Lincoln on it.

It's very good. I was looking for a tell, but couldn't find one. They even capitalized "Black" while leaving "brown" lowercase, as is Proper according to progressive style guides.

Also "womxn"

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 8:57 AM UTC

daenz wrote: post #6

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if someone makes the argument that this automated flagging is an indicator that chess's language is inadvertently racially charged. And think about the concept of "white goes first." All it takes is a few viral tweets, and suddenly the game of chess is in the crosshairs.

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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by smusamashah » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 8:57 AM UTC

thoughty wrote: post #16

There was a star trek channel on youtube which got suspended because he called the fictional race Ferengi “greedy”, which they actually are. Got reinstated after a few days. But it’s getting ridiculous now.

Ferengi looks the same as فرنگی if 'g' sounds as in 'girl'.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%86%DA%AF%DB%8...

"A foreigner, especially a British or a white person." https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/firangi

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by b0rsuk » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:01 AM UTC

kofko wrote: post #295

hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

How about calling it a "Buttle" after the movie Brazil from 1985 where a certain Mr. "Buttle" gets arrested and killed instead of a Mr. "Tuttle" due to a fly in a teleprinter.

Nowhere near as popular as the skit with the vikings.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by b0rsuk » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:04 AM UTC

Maybe they should train their networks on memes and make it do the opposite ;-).

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by isolli » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 9:14 AM UTC

phonebucket wrote: post #294

shp0ngle wrote: post #5

Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

Relatedly, the world champion played a game where the player with the black pieces went first to make a statement about racism [1]. [1]: https://www.chess.com/news/view/moveforequality-carlsen-giri...

Understandably, it was difficult to adapt to the change: "It is difficult to change your mindset in a chess game with a different start. But if we can change our minds in the game, we can surely help people change their minds in real life."