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Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#51

I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…

Stack Overflow did it quite well imho

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#52

This seems prone to trouble to me. Twitter is already very groupthink heavy, and I can only see this amplifying that problem. You see it in Reddit all the time - people don't actually read the comments, just upvote the upvoted ones and vice versa. I worry this will just make an already very narrow set of acceptable opinions even narrower.

Is this not a problem on HN? I think it is but if it's not, what makes it work here?

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#54

This seems prone to trouble to me. Twitter is already very groupthink heavy, and I can only see this amplifying that problem. You see it in Reddit all the time - people don't actually read the comments, just upvote the upvoted ones and vice versa. I worry this will just make an already very narrow set of acceptable opinions even narrower.

I think up and down voting could actually help the discourse on twitter if it's implemented correctly.

Currently every way to interact with a tweet drives its engagement score: likes, retweets and replies all result in more visibility for a tweet. So if you think a tweet is unproductive or wrong, you can express that in a reply, but even that is resulting in more visibility for the original tweet. This incentivizes bad behavior, because even if someone does is get a lot of people upset or outraged, this is going to result in more attention and prominence on the platform.

But if you have a button which is essentially saying: "twitter, please de-rank this", it allows a way to respond to comments which are not worthy of engaging with but you don't want them to stand uncontested.

Also with up/down votes, it's much healthier if the numbers are hidden. Otherwise the incentive becomes to win the game rather than to have a discussion.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#55
upvote/downvote system is flawed

allows to manipulate, promotes groupthink and kind of harassing people

it maybe worked over decade ago or so, but it's definitely not state of art nowadays.

edit. or maybe it just doesn't work for e.g news/discussions (especially about politics and other "hot" topics)

meanwhile for meme sites it should be fine

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#56

This seems prone to trouble to me. Twitter is already very groupthink heavy, and I can only see this amplifying that problem. You see it in Reddit all the time - people don't actually read the comments, just upvote the upvoted ones and vice versa. I worry this will just make an already very narrow set of acceptable opinions even narrower.

You see it on hn all the time. Office workers, pink died hair and obnoxious will downvote anything not conforming to the group mindset. It works just fine it seems.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#57
post #54

This seems prone to trouble to me. Twitter is already very groupthink heavy, and I can only see this amplifying that problem. You see it in Reddit all the time - people don't actually read the comments, just upvote the upvoted ones and vice versa. I worry this will just make an already very narrow set of acceptable opinions even narrower.

I think up and down voting could actually help the discourse on twitter if it's implemented correctly. Currently every way to interact with a tweet drives its engagement score: likes, retweets and replies all result in more visibility for a tweet. So if you think a tweet is unproductive or wrong, you can express that in a reply, but even that is resulting in more visibility for the original tweet. This incentivizes b…

Mute works fine.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#58

I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…

Each user gets 10 votes per day, and can only vote up or down on a topic once?

Each user gets 10 points per day, and can use it in a single vote or spread across hundreds?

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#59
post #52

This seems prone to trouble to me. Twitter is already very groupthink heavy, and I can only see this amplifying that problem. You see it in Reddit all the time - people don't actually read the comments, just upvote the upvoted ones and vice versa. I worry this will just make an already very narrow set of acceptable opinions even narrower.

Is this not a problem on HN? I think it is but if it's not, what makes it work here?

On HN the moderation is better and the community smaller (and I guess also united by at least one common interest).

Another important difference I see is that the score of comments is hidden, at least to some degree. Seeing how "the community" has already judged a post is greatly influential to future votes. It also creates a bias on the way the comment is interpreted by the reader.

I don't know what would be the ideal system. But I am certain adding downvotes to Twitter in its current state will only make it worse.

Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons

#60
post #51

I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…

Stack Overflow did it quite well imho

there is no “group thinking” issue on StackOverflow. Quite contrary :)
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