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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #56

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Why not try to be more inclusive and have each piece with its own color?

"Actually this rook identifies as bishop"

You didn't capture my king it now identifies as a queen, please stop dead-naming my queen. Funny enough chess already have has a rule that allows for pawns to become queens, touche

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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> The 'jokes' you describe aren't funny That's an opinion, and it's not a supportable opinion, because we don't really know much about the jokes. Parent's comment wasn't intended to convey the material faithfully-- just a bare description. We don't know the exact wording, the delivery, the timing, or any other context. Maybe they were lame (another opionion), but it's also possible that I (or even you) would have got…

> Regardless, there's no reason to assume that humor of this nature serves to normalize racial hatred. Yes, there is. This is a very well-researched topic. https://theconversation.com/psychology-behind-the-unfunny-co... https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/humor-sapiens/201107... etc.

Ah yes a progressive claim backed up by psychology papers. A field currently drowning in a reproducibility crisis, and a group who believe that lying and slander is not only okay but should be actively utilised in every goal they pursue.

Yes I think that one can be dismissed.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #5

Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

How about just light and dark? A lot of chessboards don't have strictly black and white colored pieces anyway. (For the record I think the whole thing is stupid)

"Light gray" is easy to misspell as "light gay", e.g. "light gay knight takes dark gay bishop". IMHO, it's better to use "wine" (w) and "blue" (b) as colors.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Not quite the same situation, but "Malgorithms" is used by Private Eye (British satirical/political magazine) to highlight adverts auto-generated inappropriately to accompany articles on news etc websites. Example: https://twitter.com/joshspero/status/562625460732174336

That's just it though. Part of the definition of "algorithm" is "correct" and these things are all just ML output that generate correlated noise.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

#287
post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

In a government system a similar problem is called Bureaucracy . It is similar in the sense that the system is very complex, beyond any single persons comprehension, bureaucratic system is unforgiving in its conclusion, and it is the responsibility of the victim to deal with a false positive using the same (or similarly complex) system to attempt correction. However this is different from bureaucracy in the level of…

Why not algocracy or robocracy?

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #48

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In my opinion, that might be a sign that the idea of drawing abstract connections between words and concepts, that are several layers of indirection apart, may be going too far. Yeah using language that upsets people is bad, but if you allow enough layers between words and concepts, _everything_ can be argued to be offensive for one reason or another. Or will be soon once something else becomes a hot button issue.

You know that many people are advocating for replacing the terms whitelist and blacklist, right? I don't see how chess is any different.

You're right it isn't different, it was a stupid idea with firewalls and it's a stupid idea with chess sets.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #64

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and that is not sufficient. we need to give 33% more moves to black to compensate for the all troubles mounted on them in the past.

Yes, generations of black chess pieces have been discriminated in the past. We should make sure the black wins just as much as white, let's just use a coin flip to decide who wins ahead of the game.

Wow, this site is the fucking worst.
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