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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by Hackbraten »

hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Verschlimmbesserautomatisierung.

Composite noun of verschlimmbessern [1] and Automatisierung (automation).

[1] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verschlimmbessern#German

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by bjorn2k »

notyourday wrote: post #199
hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

No. What we need is something that is amazingly simple: * you, a programmer who coded something that caused company X to lose Y dollars because of a "mistake", have to be on a hook for Y dollars. * you, a manager who managed a project that caused a company X to lose Y dollars because of a "mistake" by your programmer, have to be on a hook for Y dollars. * you, a product owner who accepted the what the manager of ta p…

I hope this is a joke.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by joelbondurant »

mellosouls wrote: post #131
hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Not quite the same situation, but "Malgorithms" is used by Private Eye (British satirical/political magazine) to highlight adverts auto-generated inappropriately to accompany articles on news etc websites. Example: https://twitter.com/joshspero/status/562625460732174336

I love malgorithms having been exposed to the malicious grift of the healthcare industry.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by hutzlibu »

notyourday wrote: post #199
hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

No. What we need is something that is amazingly simple: * you, a programmer who coded something that caused company X to lose Y dollars because of a "mistake", have to be on a hook for Y dollars. * you, a manager who managed a project that caused a company X to lose Y dollars because of a "mistake" by your programmer, have to be on a hook for Y dollars. * you, a product owner who accepted the what the manager of ta p…

Since you like to invoke a climate of fear, why not add the death sentence to that list?

But ... would you then like to work in that area, if you fear every step you make, can be your last?

Do you think there would be much innovation, if the punishment costs are so out of balance?

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by bonzini »

Animats wrote: post #96
daenz wrote: post #6

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if someone makes the argument that this automated flagging is an indicator that chess's language is inadvertently racially charged. And think about the concept of "white goes first." All it takes is a few viral tweets, and suddenly the game of chess is in the crosshairs.

It's clearly racist that White plays first.

White goes first because black was considered a lucky color. So if black went first it would have double advantage, from being first and from being the lucky color.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by akho »

dogorman wrote: post #205
nemo44x wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. Everything must be examined critically through the lenses of social justice. Chess is a Eurocentric and thus colonial game only valued because of its expression of whiteness. Dominance of an opponent of another color reenforces normative racism and the white pieces going first internalizes white supremacy to Black, brown, and indigenous peoples. I won’t even go into the obvious sexism and misogyny of the emotiona…

Obviously your comment is sarcastic, but this is worth correcting: Chess is a Eurocentric Chess came from Persia, or maybe India, and spread both east and west along the silk road trade routes.

That's a bit of a misconception. Modern chess is European. Shatranj was a much less dynamic and interesting game.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by Gibbon1 »

mirkules wrote: post #228
hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

It's funny that you should mention War Games, because the only way to win this battle is not to play at all. Why are we so hell-bent on restricting speech and burning all these engineering hours trying to moderate something that cannot be moderated? Languages -- and people -- are "transformable" enough to avoid triggering "hate speech" (whatever that actually is, and whoever it is that determines it) algorithms. Let…

> Why are we so hell-bent on restricting speech and burning all these engineering hours trying to moderate something that cannot be moderated?

Because if you allow humans to moderate then those humans start acquiring power. Which is something FAANG companies strive to prevent at all costs.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by hutzlibu »

mellosouls wrote: post #131
hirundo wrote: post #21

We need a word or phrase for this phenomenon, where we attempt to substitute human pattern recognition with algorithms that just aren't up to the job. Facebook moderation, Tesla Full Self Driving, the War Games movie, arrests for mistaken facial identification. It's becoming an increasingly dystopic force in our lives and will likely get much worse before getting even worse. So it needs a label. Maybe there's a ten s…

Not quite the same situation, but "Malgorithms" is used by Private Eye (British satirical/political magazine) to highlight adverts auto-generated inappropriately to accompany articles on news etc websites. Example: https://twitter.com/joshspero/status/562625460732174336

Of all the suggestions, I like the "Malgorithms" the most. It is catchy, easy to read and probably understandable by normal people as well.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

Given there's 500 or so hours of video uploaded per minute (or some other huge amount), i'm not sure we can expect YouTube to moderate each potential violation. Each video constitutes a miniscule amount of revenue.

The only solution (I see) to this is for YouTube to charge for each upload - say $1 a video (there may need to be different prices in different parts of the world), this wouldn't detract the majority of uploaders and would pay for checking hate speech, copyright violations etc.

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