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Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by vkou » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:44 AM UTC

taxicabjesus wrote: post #36

Maybe you all can help me out. For someone who's not yet vaccinated, what's the point? 1. We now know that most of the carnage of February/March/April 2020 had to do with the aggressive use of ventilators. Once doctors stopped ventilating the majority of their patients, survival became the likely outcome of a SARS-CoV-2 infection. 2. We now know that severe COVID-19 is basically a Serotonin Syndrome (without the cust…

> Maybe you all can help me out. For someone who's not yet vaccinated, what's the point?

The point is that COVID-19 and its variants is very happily spreading through the unvaccinated population.

And that even if you don't die from it, we now know that a lot of people come down with incredibly serious short-term symptoms, and serious long-term symptoms.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by NiceWayToDoIT » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:46 AM UTC

NiceWayToDoIT wrote: post #33

fsh wrote: post #25

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It was not clear which vaccine development projects would succeed and which would not. For a reasonably wealthy country, the cost of the vaccine doses is completely negligible compared to the cost of the pandemic. This is why it made sense to massively overpurchase doses.

Thanks, I was curious to check : Pfizer-BioNTech $19.50 per dose Moderna $25-$37 per dose AstraZeneca $3-4 (U.S.) in the UK and U.S Johnson & Johnson $10 per dose Sputnik V Vaccine $10 per dose Sinovac Biotech $60 per dose in China ($29.75 per dose) https://www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines...

Interesting enough testes are ranging from £50-250 and usually u need few, even self-test kits have similar range. I wonder is there a way to have a really cheap tests (£3-5) ?

I guess it would be interesting to find out PCR test cost break down.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by chessmiater » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:46 AM UTC

flocial wrote: post #8

It’s crazy how we’re expected to cope with myocarditis, blood clots, other mystery symptoms and even death by participating in a large scale clinical trial for experimental gene therapy. The shot is usually free or cheap but god forbid you end up one of the unlucky ones with ruined health and expensive medical bills with no one to sue or take responsibility but yourself. You’ll most likely get censored on social medi…

By your definition every virus out there is gene therapy.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by ghoward » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:50 AM UTC

zarzavat wrote: post #20

ghoward wrote: post #17

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That's just it: we are not adequately cautious. Who knows what the long-term side effects of the vaccines will be? The fact that those concerns are hand-waved away makes me more concerned. I mean, I don't trust Big Pharma, but at the very least, the FDA stood in their way. This time, the FDA gave them a pass called "Emergency Use Authorization," and that worries me.

Covid has long term effects too, seemingly much more than vaccines. Were this not the case then yes the calculus for younger people would be very different. But it seems that everybody benefits.

You can only make that judgment for yourself. Assuming that your judgment works for everyone is highly presumptuous.

For myself, I see less risk in going the route where I may not even get COVID at all and risk actually getting it, rather than having a 100% chance of injecting myself with a vaccine that I don't trust.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by adrianN » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:53 AM UTC

chessmiater wrote: post #30

ggm wrote: post #12

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How many doses worldwide, how many reported incidents. It's that simple. If you think some at-scale public disaster is impending, Can you explain what you think it is, beyond skepticism it might exist and we're not adequately cautious?

It's not that simple. Lead poisoning for example takes years to manifest itself. So did other drugs which took years until regulators retracted them because they did more harm then good. Specifically about mRNA vaccines, we know little about the long term effects of the lipid nano particles used in them and there are reasons to be concerned.

What are the reasons to be concerned? To me as a layman the mechanism of action seems very straightforward and not at all concerning.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by vkou » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:54 AM UTC

ghoward wrote: post #44

zarzavat wrote: post #20

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Covid has long term effects too, seemingly much more than vaccines. Were this not the case then yes the calculus for younger people would be very different. But it seems that everybody benefits.

You can only make that judgment for yourself. Assuming that your judgment works for everyone is highly presumptuous. For myself, I see less risk in going the route where I may not even get COVID at all and risk actually getting it, rather than having a 100% chance of injecting myself with a vaccine that I don't trust.

> You can only make that judgment for yourself. Assuming that your judgment works for everyone is highly presumptuous.

Yet people who refuse to get vaccinated seem to have no problem making this judgement for other people that they are likely to spread COVID to, when they fall ill.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by swader999 » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:54 AM UTC

mindslight wrote: post #40

swader999 wrote: post #29

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I'm most worried about the vaccine passport. Show us your papers! Seems like it could be the start of a social credit system for the west.

What do you think Equifax, LexisNexis, criminal background checks, person-search websites, and automated account termination are? "Social credit" only seems like some foreign concept because it was coined describing a foreign society - it's more difficult to look inwards at what already exists.

You don't have to do those for day to day living, attending school, getting on a plane, most employment, entering a grocery store, a pub or daycare for your kid. These will have to be scanned to work and will be able to be turned off. USA seems to be slow rolling towards it but look at France and UK just this week. Life ending fines, 6 month jail time if you enter one of these places without it. No exemptions for those that aquired natural immunity either.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by _Microft » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 5:59 AM UTC

ghoward wrote: post #44

zarzavat wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covid has long term effects too, seemingly much more than vaccines. Were this not the case then yes the calculus for younger people would be very different. But it seems that everybody benefits.

You can only make that judgment for yourself. Assuming that your judgment works for everyone is highly presumptuous. For myself, I see less risk in going the route where I may not even get COVID at all and risk actually getting it, rather than having a 100% chance of injecting myself with a vaccine that I don't trust.

With communicable diseases, your decision does not only affect you yourself but the rest of society as well. So we are actually making a decision for everyone with that.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by hnzix » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 6:02 AM UTC

ggm wrote: post #15

hnzix wrote: post #3

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AZ followed by Pfizer is now encouraged in Oz by GPs for people who had an initial AZ shot before Pfizer was more widely available.

ATAGI held off saying they approved of this AFAIK. If this is true, I wish it was widespread and recommended because I am due my second AZ in 5 weeks time and I would LOVE pfizer, but I suspect in Qld I will be told "nope"

I've heard QLD has low supplies of Pfizer in many locations, you might be able to try different clinics to get some.

Re: Everything you need to know about Covid-19 vaccines

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Post by nprateem » Thu, Jul 22, 2021, 6:04 AM UTC

Archelaos wrote: post #37

The title of the article completely devalues it in my eyes. How does the author know that the reader does not want to know something else? This seems to me to be a very paternalistic attitude. What is not discussed at all, for example, are cross-vaccinations with different vaccines, e.g. AstraZeneca + mRNA.

I think they assume you're not autistic