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Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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> for microphone, even the gyrosensors can record voice in some quality Turning off all three kill switches kills all sensors. Concerning the problem with the C code, yes. But it’s the same problem as with Apple, trillion-dollar company.

You are right, but Apple does try to rewrite most things in memory safe languages and have been doing so for quite some time now. So it is not exactly GNU/Linux.

Looking at this Pegasus thing, Apple did not achieve much.

Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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post #36

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You are right, but Apple does try to rewrite most things in memory safe languages and have been doing so for quite some time now. So it is not exactly GNU/Linux.

Looking at this Pegasus thing, Apple did not achieve much.

Ongoing effort != they’ve achieved it all yet.

Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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If you want to fight the Apple-Google duopoly, consider GNU/Linux smarthones Librem 5 and Pinephone.

Sorry, but Linux phones are a joke. The sad reality is that there is nothing on the market today that provides the security most of us here want.

Security nihilism. NSO Group would be glad.

Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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Pretty tired of seeing people surprised and concerned when they get a look at how the sausage is made like this. Bill Binney in 2002 and Edward Snowden in 2013 should have disabused us all of any pretense of order and justice in this system. World governments, Big Tech be like: "We are shocked, shocked! to find back doors and spying in here!" The two work in tandem to facilitate the needs of each other. This is just…

Yes. People don't know and most don't care. For example, the EU parliament has just recently passed legislation to allow "providers of e-mail and messaging services to automatically search all personal messages of each citizen for presumed suspect content and report suspected cases to the police." Most people I talk to don't know about this. When they hear it, they're in shock. And then go on living their lives. It's…

People don't caring about surveillance is more sinister than it looks. Because most people don't care, the ones who do (out of necessity or choice) stick out like a sore thumb.

"This citizen here, he shows in the cameras, but doesn't appear to have a cellphone/has two cellphones, let's investigate him!"

Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to fight the Apple-Google duopoly, consider GNU/Linux smarthones Librem 5 and Pinephone.

Sorry, but Linux phones are a joke. The sad reality is that there is nothing on the market today that provides the security most of us here want.

A backdoored phone IS a joke, like android, or iOS.

Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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post #44

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Yes. People don't know and most don't care. For example, the EU parliament has just recently passed legislation to allow "providers of e-mail and messaging services to automatically search all personal messages of each citizen for presumed suspect content and report suspected cases to the police." Most people I talk to don't know about this. When they hear it, they're in shock. And then go on living their lives. It's…

People don't caring about surveillance is more sinister than it looks. Because most people don't care, the ones who do (out of necessity or choice) stick out like a sore thumb. "This citizen here, he shows in the cameras, but doesn't appear to have a cellphone/has two cellphones, let's investigate him!"

True… Cause: nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right?

Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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Sorry, but Linux phones are a joke. The sad reality is that there is nothing on the market today that provides the security most of us here want.

Security nihilism. NSO Group would be glad.

There's a difference between saying "bah, it's all insecure, let's just give in to the surveillance", and recognising that there is nothing on the market that actually makes strides toward foolproof security. Remember, a smartphone running the Linux kernel doesn't automatically make it secure just because it's open source.

Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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Security nihilism. NSO Group would be glad.

There's a difference between saying "bah, it's all insecure, let's just give in to the surveillance", and recognising that there is nothing on the market that actually makes strides toward foolproof security. Remember, a smartphone running the Linux kernel doesn't automatically make it secure just because it's open source.

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Re: Pavel Durov listed in leaked Pegasus project data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Security nihilism. NSO Group would be glad.

There's a difference between saying "bah, it's all insecure, let's just give in to the surveillance", and recognising that there is nothing on the market that actually makes strides toward foolproof security. Remember, a smartphone running the Linux kernel doesn't automatically make it secure just because it's open source.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27911856
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