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Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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You know that many people are advocating for replacing the terms whitelist and blacklist, right? I don't see how chess is any different.

Chess is different in that the pieces are literally black and white in their color. Blacklist and whitelist are used as linguistic symbols: black==bad white==good. That is pretty different to me.

The lists are also referring to the concepts of literal black and literal white, not the skin colors.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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There was a star trek channel on youtube which got suspended because he called the fictional race Ferengi “greedy”, which they actually are. Got reinstated after a few days. But it’s getting ridiculous now.

I wonder how The Onion gets away with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PC8Luqiws where they suggest visualizing your money related stress as a greedy hook-nosed race of creatures who want to grabble up all your money - and only hire their own kind.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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I remember many years ago when colour schemes/UI themes were still called "skins", and forum discussions about them often yielded amusing racist-if-taken-out-of-context sentences like "do you like white or black skin" and "I have dark skin, but I prefer the white skin." Not a single person was offended or outraged, everyone saw the racial associations but clearly understood the context and was more amused than anythi…

> whether the current "ultra-PC/SJW-ism" trend actually started as a joke that got taken too far and adopted as truth by the gullible It started with a few German philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School in the interwar period.

> Deep SJW lore

I think you're actually correct, although the roots go back further. People don't understand the historical academic context of modern intolerance.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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I'm sure chess board manufacturers would love this. Think of how many new sets they could sell if everybody decided they had to replace their old black and white sets.

Eh, many wooden sets are light and dark woods. Also many checkers boards are red and black. It’s still ridiculous -like cultural revolution level ridiculous. At least nature will never change and nights will be black and days will be light.

Until “they” force you to have eye implants that correct for this natural racism

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Have cooler heads prevailed in this regard? “Progressive” Americans degendering Spanish by referring to Latino people as “Latinx” seems to be going as strong as ever, despite the protests of actual native Spanish speakers. In their haste to appear progressive, people who say “Latinx” are ironically engaging in linguistic colonialism, as it were.

Isn't Latinx supposed to be Latino+Latina? Surely those two words are actually gendered (in the biological sex way), unlike most words which are gendered in a purely linguistic way.

Latinos is how you gender Latino+Latina in a "purely linguistic way", but some people don't like it, so they made a new word. The masculine word is either gender neutral or "truly" masculine depending on the context, but the feminine counter part always refer to girls/women.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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Have cooler heads prevailed in this regard? “Progressive” Americans degendering Spanish by referring to Latino people as “Latinx” seems to be going as strong as ever, despite the protests of actual native Spanish speakers. In their haste to appear progressive, people who say “Latinx” are ironically engaging in linguistic colonialism, as it were.

That’s a perfect example of something that literally every single time I’ve seen it mentioned was in the context of people expressing outrage at other people’s activism, and never in the context of an activist actually advocating for it.

I've heard people actually, earnestly, use it. It was high school students, though, so I cut them some slack on the rope of pretentious foolishness. We were all there to some degree when we were teenagers.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if someone makes the argument that this automated flagging is an indicator that chess's language is inadvertently racially charged. And think about the concept of "white goes first." All it takes is a few viral tweets, and suddenly the game of chess is in the crosshairs.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Google moderator AI becomes the source of truth on what is offensive. If google doesn't delete it than clearly it is ok. If google does delete it then it is offensive regardless of anything else.

Or it will at least become a cheap barometer used by journalists: Materials so offensive that they are automatically rejected by all major social networks.

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

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post #5

Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

How about just light and dark? A lot of chessboards don't have strictly black and white colored pieces anyway. (For the record I think the whole thing is stupid)

And attack and defense to moving forward and backward. And I guess we should abolish winning and losing while we are at it

Re: A YouTube chat about chess got flagged for hate speech

#190
post #5

Well. The speech police started changing "blacklist" and "whitelist" in programming context, even when those had no racist history; maybe it's time to change it in chess. (After all, white always goes first, that is not very PC.) Rename "black" and "white" to "second player" and "first player".

I think the words themselves are racist - black and white. I'd be down with getting rid of them from the dictionary all together. Edit: Add brown as well to the list.

What about yellow and red? Maybe add grey there too in case we run into “little grey men”
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