great. now we can further extend the ideological bubbles, with the brigade wars and political virtue-signaling mono-culture of reddit.
Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
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#42I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…
I really do think innovative in social media spaces in lacking, probably because the established players have no real reason to change things up aside from stealing newcomers's ideas but it would to cool to see if any research could be done on stuff like seeing how different features (or lack of) lead to different communities and cultures on a site
It's also that they have reason not to change up things. They have created vibrant monetisation mechanisms & fine tuned those mechanisms.
Innovating means new patterns of interactions & ideas. This also means new forms of monetisation that might be required.
As an example all the previous FB & instagram ads became obsolete or useless once they introduced stories. Now, have to create better ad formats and subsequently take few quarters to fine tune the experience and pricing.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I disagree. If a comment has 100 likes and 100 dislikes that clearly is different than a comment that has 200 likes or 200 dislikes. There is no information provided by the button click other than that the button was clicked. Which button the user decides to choose may as well be considered arbitrary because onlookers have no way of ever determining the true intent unless the button presser also comments with their…
I think only a troll commenter would find receiving dislikes to be a rewarding experience.
I imagine receiving dislikes wouldn't be rewarding, however the up/down buttons do not convey that kind of information. All they can fundamentally tell you is that someone (assuming appropriate bot protection is in place) pressed a button in proximity to your comment. There is no other information attached with the action. It could be purely accidental for all you know. Knowing that people have loaded your comment in order for the button to be presented, and thus statistically are likely to have read it, should be rewarding, though. After all, wanting others to read your work is why you're writing in a public forum and not your private journal.
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#44I left reddit because of how manipulated it is by hard core activists, contractors acting on behalf of corporations and political parties, and governments. I really hope we dont see this on twitter.
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#45Downvote sucks honestly, I think it should be replaced by report button instead.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Hackernews and slashdot do good jobs of moderation by making you have to be a participant that's contributed with well thought out comments. You should see how much karma some people have when they finally get banned and reconsider your evaluation of that method's effectiveness. It's not difficult to grind 500 karma here, it's not a signal of anything but time spent.
I imagine it still represents an added cost, which works towards suppressing or adding difficulty towards facilitating comment / post manipulation as GP alludes to.
Much of that cost is offset by the design of Hacker News being biased towards flagging and downvoting.
Plenty of threads get flagged into oblivion because a couple of people objected to them, and several people have noticed every comment in their history getting voted down from time to time. Upranking posts by manipulation is difficult, downranking them is almost child's play.
What really offsets that isn't the karma cost for upvotes but the moderators' own manual tweaking of the knobs, sometimes correcting improper flags and changing the rankings, which can't really be gamed around.
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#47Here's what Alexis had to say about it haha: https://twitter.com/alexisohanian/status/1417930918942150671...
wow, that old reddit screenshot looks incredibly similar to the HN interface.
I don't know if you meant that as a joke, sarcastic, or you just didn't know but just in case: they were developed at the same time, by Alexis and Co when Reddit was initially funded by YC.
Re: Twitter tests Reddit-style upvote and downvote buttons
#48I think up and down voting are great, however what is dumb is that neither has a cost. If you think of karma as an economy, taking an action should have a cost. Of course this leads to the question: if voting has a cost, then how do people accumulate irrespective of themselves receiving a vote? You could give everyone say, a fixed number of karma to begin with that could then be allocated. You can then give people mo…
> For example, if the #1 person believes something is being said that is really damaging in some way, they could put at stake the entirety of their karma and downvote it, which would pretty much obliterate the comment.
We are building a P2P network with subjective moderation [0], so while we don’t know what works yet (we’re experimenting) I can at least tell you why we’ve found this is suboptimal. The issue is that this creates an even more direct USD/upvote market in which users are incentivised to the max to harvest as much karma as possible (with cat posts) and then sell them to the highest bidder, which would invariably be people who have a lot to gain from a certain piece of information being hidden. In essence, if you make karma spendable by more than one per post, you up it’s monetary value 100x, and given that even at 100x it’s worth so much more to PR teams and to not many else, all you will ever see is going to be propaganda on your platform’s front page.
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#49Here's what Alexis had to say about it haha: https://twitter.com/alexisohanian/status/1417930918942150671...
Why is he acting as if he invented upvotes and downvotes?
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#50This seems prone to trouble to me. Twitter is already very groupthink heavy, and I can only see this amplifying that problem. You see it in Reddit all the time - people don't actually read the comments, just upvote the upvoted ones and vice versa. I worry this will just make an already very narrow set of acceptable opinions even narrower.
> Twitter is already very groupthink
Just like all social platforms including this one. Here on HN if you have a controversial opinion the site literally fades your comment away until it disappears.